I would take clone on my rsham for sure. Just for the smiley face xD
I mean in df you were forced to cast cyclone to be able to deal damage because of set bonus and that was horrible design
Now cyclone is just an option and look how ferals playing on awc, they are not spamming cyclones every 10 seconds like it was on df awc.
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Feral literally out damaged affli in AWC. Meanwhile the latter gets nerfed to unviability.
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It’s that time of the game (again) when the usual suspects who don’t even know the fundamentals of their spec are in denial about how broken Feral is.
Even when Feral is busted and fool proof friendly and everything they complained about LAST TIME it was broken is no longer integral to its success, they somehow perform just as bad, if not worse.
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And another game the Affliction lock out-damaged both opponents (dmg dealers). Such arguments don’t say anything, and you know that very well.
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what do these two do there
they both have no mortal strike meanwhile feral does and they both do less dps than feral if he isnt getting spam cced
which u know is kinda obvious because he is a melee and these 2 are casters and if they will do less damage even if feral is being spam cced then whats the point of playing with less damage and no mortalstrike
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Feral mains have been taking deadly amount of copium since TWW. I am generaly concerned.
Isn’t feral like the tankiest melee in the game? I am no professional by any means. In fact, feral is the only class I’ve never touched, but luckily I am surrounded by professionals here.
Isn’t barkskin 35% wall on a 1min cd for no reason? What’s the % on survival instinct? Aren’t there multiple talents that increase your healing received by absurd amount? Wasn’t there a game in AWC where feral run around the pillar in a Bear Form for 2 minutes at 1% hp?
Seems pretty solid to me.
Let’s not mention the damage and ms.
It’s like you’re a dh but you need hands.
It do seem that feral needs a rework, so it can be piloted by dh rerolls and shuffle droolers.
I didn’t watch every game, only the feral/affli one from the vod. But without having watched any of the games you’re refering to i strongly assume the second dps was a sub rogue.
Could be, not sure. Pretty sure it was Echo, so yes.
But either way, this is exactly the point: the context matters. Can’t just cherry-pick and say “x” does more damage than “y” so “z” has to happen… it just doesn’t fly.
Lets see you play feral then.
Feral does need a demage nerf, a rework- im not gonna repeat myself.
But utility- wise feral is the poorest class in the game.
Same goes for defensives.
Dont use the Bear Form argument- this has already been disproven.
Bear Form armor is the same as any platers armor
How is feral the tankiest class exactly ? Lets get over the facts.
Feral admitedly damage-wise needs a nerf.
If you go above, you would see I suggest a combination between a nerf and a rework for feral has no toolkit but lets continue.
So Bear Form armor is = as any plater, infact i think its a little less than paladins but i might be wrong, overall its the samish armor.
While im still at Bear Form- Frenzied Regeneration heals for 20% for 4 secs. ,as comparison rogues Crimson Vial heals for 25% for 3 secs.
Survival Instincts is 60% dmg reduction on 3 min cd.
Heat of the wild is 5 min cd.
Barkskin is 30% on 1 min cd, probably the only okay defensive we have since its usable on stun, though not if you’re silenced or interrupted, cant use it in DKs aoe disorient either.
You get 20% increased healing during Barkskin.
Thats all.
Aside from that Regrowth heals for so litle ( 400k) that people often ignore the button all together even with procs- they use em on roots instead.
As i said, theres no second opinion to this- feral dishes out insane amounts of damage.
The reason people argue against nerfs is because, feral relies sololy on damage and has no toolkit.
If this changes- people wouldnt mind a proper nerf.
KEKW
The problem is that the sub rogue is the only reason the affli is out damaging others because the rogue disables everyone else from playing.
Context matters as you said.
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Yeah, its 3v3, not 1v1.
its not like you’re expected to be independent.
well tbh i haven’t and i agree feral is giga broken damage wise and its really toxic
im no professional im 2.1 xp as feral and 2k as hpala . feral is the squishiest melee in the game also known as melee without any immunity or 100% dodge , our main def cd lasts only for 6 seconds and has 3 min cd. outside of that our hp is jumping like a blood dk in m+
the tooltip makes you think you will have insane healing recieved but in reality its just a troll nodes that make you believe you will live , our regrowth heals 5% of our hp if casted instant cast is 2% .
im glad you noticed you see let me explain this too from Feral POV , so since our regrowth is a cosmetic button that barely does anything and once our SI is gone and bark too you sit bear and pray to jesus that healer can top you so you can play the game again , while in bear you cant do damage at all not to mention bear form armour got nerfed by 150% , imagine the horror if you face TSG as feral.
Damage needs big nerf yeah , ms is dispellable for feral so idk why people complain about ms mainly , if you dispell infected wounds you dispell feral ms and it takes 2 globals to reapply it as feral. i forgot to mention if you freedom yourself feral cant apply MS on you because infected wounds count as 20% slow
i heard rummors that dh dev is behind feral design but im not 100% sure about it.
it really does
nerf our damage in pvp , nerf bear form healing , rework our SI from 6 sec duration to 12 atleast so we dont lose it in a single cc chain. buff regrowth healing so it heals us atleast for 10% of our hp if we hard cast it and 5% if instant cast.
there are like 3 talents that increase your healing recieved by % and same for 3x energy regen by %.
also our energy regen is awfull
not to mention 3 different nodes to build berserk which is dumb , imagine if rogue or idk ret had that , 3 diff talents to build your original wings.
Just those talents tells you that feral had a lazy designer behind the talents . Class feels like its stuck in 2014 when it comes to its kit and most of the kit is nerfed so all we got atm is damage.
also infected wounds slow should be 40% instead of 20%
Now if you play solo shuffle for example prepare your life to be miserable when you cant rely on your healers . most of melee in the game atm have 100% dodge or immunity , feral is the last one that does not have it and im not asking to get 100% dodge or immunity
what i would like to see is either give us 2x SI and 8 sec duration and roots that take longer to break on damage and ofc to revert astral infuence nerf cause that talent rn is meant to be for all specs but now its a dead talent which no class has this situation feral has with druid tree
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Im sorry that your broken cc that doesnt break on dmg needs some help from your teammates (e.g. cross cc) or fake casting. It’s crazy that u think feral is doing same dmg as other specs. Feral is gapping everyone atm in dmg, and can only be matched by UHDK which got gutted.
I played for 3 hours 3s yesterday at 2.2+ mmr and I ONLY faced feral sp and feral lock. Literally beating us even when we make flawless gameplay and they make countless mistakes. It’s disgusting how good feral is atm. My friends in AWC literally kicked a person of their team to bring a feral in for the next cup, since it somehow dodged nerfs again.
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dude bear form healing is already nerfed.
Bro we literally the only stealth class that has no restealth that is forced to play Night Elf for the sake of it. LMFAO
Anyway.
I literally cant believe im readying this from a WW monk main of multiple seasons.
Absolutely kek.
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I literally can’t believe im readying this from a Feral main of multiple seasons hiding behind a low character profile, coping trying to defend current most broken spec.
Absolutely kek
PS: im not ww main, im warrior and shaman main.
People will be satisfied about shadow priest only when it will do dmg similar as a lvl 30 npc.
Can’t believe people always make sp looks insane when it’s not and require 10 times more effort to do the same as the other spec.
My advice, play a sp and not at 1k5 and then comeback to tell us how good sp has been for you.
Im not defending it.
Feral is only broken on the front of damage.
Admitedly.
Im not even minimizing this- and this has to change.
The only thing that im arguing is the approach- it shouldnt be a simple nerf but acoompanied by a rework, giving ferals proper toolkit of the modern day era.
And yeah im a feral main, i mained it when it was complete lackluster.
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No feral, isn’t only broken on the front of damage. Feral is fine defensively, it just needs something called SKILL and COORDINATION. You have a minute wall, you have a 3 min wall, you have 2 frenzied regens and u have infinite snare removals and kiting capabilities. You need to coordinate with your hpala and your priest to use your ccs accordingly and maybe even dish out some defensive clones.
Pair feral with a Hpala and an sp now after the buffs and its unstoppable, double bop and lifeswap on the table too. Sad u out here defending what is broken. Just watch raiku go on sp and whaaz on feral next cup. Also keep an eye out for vilaye and lucy, they are gonna dominate
So whos your feral ?