There are no specs in the same category as ret.
Every class is getting nerfed except ret. Ret got more QOL updates mid season with a full tree rework when everyone is getting 10-20% nerfs on abilities.
Again the gaslighting is very high.
Go touch some grass
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no, ret is not in OK state. I understand you playing paladin, you want him to perform well. But the reality is ret is very easy to play so you should not do as much damage as more complex classes when they play their more complex rotation correctly. So I donāt mind if they keep up, sometimes with CDs they do better, but they should NEVER perform like they had 15 more ilvl. This is literally ridiculous to defend and pointless to debate.
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Well you are living in a fantasy land if you believe this because the reality is that there is a whole lot of specs in the same category as ret.
Data are not agreeing with you here you are just Wrong.
Ret got nerfed literally This week so you are actually just wrong here and i do not even need to go further then the changes that happened this week.
Again your fantasy land is filled with BS.
Not Ret paladin as a class as it was the General talent tree that was changed and had nothing to do with Ret specific i understand you might not understand what that means but that is ok.
Now Then we have the 10-20% nerf that did not happen to any spec
here you can read about it instead of being ignorant and WRONG.
You are literally trying to Gaslight and ignore real information.
Go back to school or actually look up information instead of being this bad at understanding and feeling the need to complain.
Literally go and learn to use the tools at your disposal and look at the actual data instead of using your feelings.
Your fantasy does not mean anything in the real world.
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This does not happen unless it is a trinket thing or literally just worse play.
2 equally skilled players at 15ilvl difference the one with the most gear will do more damage.
You are wrong.
Are you new to wow?
Blizzard has never in the history of world of warcraft ever balanced the game around this.
Either you are new or you are a fool.
I am also sure you called out for nerfs for Fury warrior in Dragonfligth with their 2button rotation.
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Listen, buddy, he is not wrong. He is 100% right and because Blizzard is tuning classes due to DATA, it rarely reflects the real problems in the game. They are literally going to make changes to some classes and tuning them by another 20-30%, no matter if itās up or down. This FACT itself is telling you that this approach to tuning is wrong.
In gameplay terms, ret should never be in top dps unless everyone else is undergeared. Yes, you read that correctly, they should NEVER be at top because their gameplay is simpler than literally every other spec.
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Oh you want to talk about when all 3 rogue specs was within 4% of their max dps number as long as they pusheed any buttons?
You want to talk about when rogue used aoe atacks on single target because it was a dps gain?
What about the 2button ārotationā on outlaw you want to talk about it?
Here you are just factually wrong.
Here you are Pretending to know how the game is being balanced but is using your opinion has Nothing to do with reality.
this is Not how the game is being balanced it has never ever in the history of world of warcraft been balanced this way.
you are literally using your opinion and asserting how the game should be balanced while ignoring that blizzard does not do it this way.
This is also not true.
But i guess playing more specs more classes maybe you would stop being so wrong.
Also there is not a spec in wow that is hard to play.
Your feelings about how the game should be balanced has nothing to do with how the game is actually balanced.
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you are a typical paladin enjoyer, arenāt you? Rogue has no 3-button rotation, never had, and never will. We use AoE in a single target, because of certain talents that grant us more combo points and it costs less energy => another finisher that actually does damage could be slammed quickerā¦ I donāt play Outlaw, and most rogues hate Outlaw tbh, I donāt really know how their rotation works tbh, I wonāt play such trash spec anyway. But you as ret, you have nothing that you have to maintain except your holy power, and your burst has no extra steps. I understand you like playing something chill and not worrying about a rotation that much and focusing more on the environment. But that should be at a cost not being top at damage meters. This is a FACT and every single player that is not playing ret would agree with that. Yes, Iām that balsy to speak for everyone else. Only because ret is that easy to play. Letās end our discussion here, itās pointless to talk to you about this, you just enjoy being at the top with no extra effort.
You have not played rogue in BFA shadowlands era then.
And you can not say that as you have Fury warrior in Dragonflight with a literal 2button rotation.
You do not know and it shows.
It is not like rogue has to keep up slice and dice anymore either.
it is just a matter of time until you go further down.
You sure about that?
Maybe you should learn something before being wrong.
Why?
Because you are not playing the spec and you want your spec to be top?
Is it that your skill level is not good enough to play what you play at a level where you can do it?
Only muppets would because you do not know if your rotation will change and become easier.
Do you think Ret players need it to be easy to play ret?
No they do not it is not on the ret players that you are a bad gamer.
So in Legion Ret should have been TOP dps spec right?
You know when Ret was harder to play then all the other melee specs.
Yet it was the lowest dps that expansion.
Using your personal way of thinking.
Because you are using FANTASY your personal FANTASY as your ideas.
You do not live in reality of what is actually happening.
You are claiming that your personal fantasy is how it should be and you are attacking a whole lot of people because your personal belief of what your opinion should be fact when the reality 100% DISPROVES EVERYTHING you say.
You are pointles to talk to because you are literally a Troll QQing.
You are the one coming to the Paladin forums trying to talk smack while actively being 100% wrong in reality.
Your fantasy world has nothing to do with reality.
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way too long pal, Iām not gonna read all that LOL, I have better things to do. I donāt really care about ret player opinion tbh. This was a message for Blizzard. Sorry and have a good one.
You are not very smart.
As you fail to understand how blizzard works you do not understand basic things about the game.
You fail to understand how the game functions.
So you use your fantasy pretending that goes against how the game function you then pretend that your fantasy it is how it is being done.
And yet you think you deserve to be taken seriously.
Cry me a river little troll
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No wonder you canāt handle a class with more than 3 buttons. Anything longer than a tweet defeats you.
Are you and Brighteye the same person? You seem to have mindmelded with your gibberish.
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i have a 597ilvl Assa rog friend who does 1.3mill overall dps in my keys wich is on par with most 620ilvl of any random class we invite do our pug keys, better nerf rog 
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then why isnāt ret paladin on top on logs ? here comes another whining post of someone who is bad at the game and do his rotation wrong and start throwing a tantrum , no wonder blizzard donāt read forums anymore , go learn your class bud , i call this skill issues.
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Sorry to hear that. Maybe tell people to stop dying so ret doesnāt get instrument procs polluting the logs 
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Oh, the brainless ones whining about rets in yet another threadā¦ Gaslighting his way to forum fameā¦ The only thing between your ears is a vacuum.
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Imagine a S tier class complaining about B tier class.
Ps: Since rework of class from legion then df all dps have 4-5 but rotations.
And yes, in low key instant burst > burst in time.
So less pack survive, more ret is up.
In high keys, ret is below rogue, boomie, sham, dk, war (fury), hunt, sp, mage.
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Based on warcraft logs ret is middle of the pack for m+
End of story.
frost dk, augvoker, sin and sub rogue, cement shaman is still miles ahead of ret.
maybe outside of utility, thereās not a single aspect of the ret kit thatās top tier.
there are specs with higher burst, better sustained damage, better defensive toolkit, stronger funnel dmg, way better mobility, etc.
itās always the 1500 rio guys, and people hiding behind low lvl noname alts who claim to know the game, and ask for nerfs/buffs in such a childish way, that sometimes I donāt even understand myself why I start arguing with the likes of you
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that is a lie.
Cries in rogue