Ret doesn’t need nerfing, its good but on par with a lot of other classes, i do think it is extremely simplistic in its rotation very easy to learn and every mmo needs a class like that for new players its no suprise that ret is one of the most popular classes in the game. Another question should be should complexity = more damage?
i disagree on this in general.
in dragonflight season 3 i was easily outdpsing ppl with 10-20 more gs (in random m+ groups)
this not only depends on how you play vs. how the others play.
This additionally depends on how the spec scales with the stats.
In dragonflight where ret did NOT scale well with the stats it was basically required to overperfom on lower gearscore to be competitive on end gear score.
So just throwing around with 617 should not be able to keep up in damage with 630. Is not a good assumption.
You are basically concluding from this that 630 paladin will completely outperform 630 anything else.
In dragonflight this was exactly not the case because of the gear to dmg scaling of ret.
I have zero cares if you agree or not.
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People here have about the same about of cares for what you think.
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he is a good player the 630 one is bad simple
The salty panda sticks it oar in another thread with nothing nice to say - who’d thought eh
Ahh cute, a stalker.
Stop complaning rogue you can reset fights as much as you like so go do your pvp and leave us Paladins alone before i find you and kill you and cook you over my fire
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its not hes just very good at the game ^^
Ret’s got great AOE but very average ST.
If anything, they should buff ST.
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Ayellin why do you still argue with that guy?
He is one of the " rogue take skill to play" belivers.
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Rogues are too easy to play, they can vanish if you burst and wait for your burst to be over and stun lock you
Why? Why shouldn’t people who want to have fun, be allowed to have fun?
A rogue calling for nerfs on the ret paladin forums haha good luck to being taken serious.
Btw i hope rogue gets nerfed in to the ground you guys have been high a s tier since vanilla and you call for nerfs
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it does, you can’t argue with that either.
Rich…coming from a rogue.
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The only class that consistently performs as well as Rogue, is probably Mage.
This reminds me of that one season where BM was almost good, and the whole forum was full of complaints like the sky had turned red.
Just let classes be fun for once.
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wel ret is finaly good for 2 season(3 if you count season 4 of DF) since wrath, ret has always be one of the bottem tier dps , while some the pure dps class always have more luck to have one of their spec ontop.
and the old thing ret used to be know for their hugh burst dmg is mostly gone, now its just small interval of dmg window’s every 30 for 10-12 sec long, so it now more a sutain dps same as ench was in season 2 of df, that why ret is preforming well in keys becaus the might have cd up for every pack( if the key lvl and overall dps of the group make it so)
you cant compair classes to eachother ,
lastly: skill issue, everyone plays on there own lvl, some high some lower,
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I am by no means the best warrior and I’ve been with ret paladin in groups many times. Sometimes i manage to beat them or keep up with their damage. I have alt paladin and i know what you are talking about. I would much rather prefer to buff the other classes then simply nerf retribution. My problems with them it’s not so much the damage output but the utility they bring.
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Paladin is the lowest skill-based class, so it should not compete at the top of the damage meter—ever.