broski , this has nothing to do with the idustrial revolution stop repeating things you have heard your parents yell from their bedroom after 00:00.
Ai is nothing we have met before, and the shear claim that its a mere tool is so funny to me.
Ai should be implimented in things that people need uninteruptable precision and decision- making, or things humans hate doing.
Not in entirely human based discuplines like Art, Theatre and Writing, music etc.
As i said we dont bring Ai to Art the same way you dont race with a motorbike in a horse race.
Art is a human discipline.
You better make semantical sense with you next comment or ill bonk you with my stave!
Yes, to save on dev time. Thatās the only reason and Blizzard outrighted stated so during Legions development. They limit how much time their artists can spend on any one thing they are working on to make sure development progress at a steady pace. Canāt have some dev spending 2 weeks getting the most minor details right when things need to ship every 2 months.
But also, these things are not new. Nor does it require AI to do in the first place. The 3D art scene has been using generative processes for over a decade. Blizzard not using it to add depth to their assets is likely an engine thing as opposed to anything else. Because they do use that stuff in Overwatch and Diablo.
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and its as simple as do you want quantity over quality of art, music, theatre and romantic experiences for the simple price of the human soul entire and making the corpos richer ?
Dont foget the Bill Gates simply for rich by making a computer operaring system and look at him talk about medicine and things, funding crazy dystopian ideas and so on.
Is this really the āindustrial revolutionā of our generation or a really bad turn into anty human future.
And mind you I just speak about art but this affects other things as well but as things are lets keep it art focused.
yep i think this is not further from the truth
AI is a tool. If you give it enough information, word your request just right, and keep punching it into place whenever it does something you donāt want, it may provide you with a good result.
I refer to my 400+ attempt and manually edited portrait of Ishayo, with a prompt over 1000 words long and an admittedly small amount of work in Krita afterwards using an iPad+Apple Pencil attached to a MacBookā¦:
I do agree that AI companies are running around stealing copyrighted content, and that this is a problem. They believe that seeing and remixing is fair use. For a human, certainly yes. But done automatically? Thatās unclear. The lawsuits are in motion, we shall soon find out.
But the idea that no artistry can be done with AI, that it canāt assist artists - I strongly disagree with that. Honestly do.
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Thats a lot of words to say youre too lazy to learn how to draw.
Utterly disgusting attempt at excusing something inexcusable.
Ai is not a tool.
Stop gasslighting, youre insulting my intelligence.
There were people exactly like you when Photoshop was invented. āOoh these young people they donāt even wanna learn the correct order to apply paint. What horrible newbiesā
AI has been part of Photoshop itself for over a decade now - for effects, cropping, inserting, shading, and much more.
Great mathematicians were scoffing at the computer as well. āOooh them younginās donāt even wanna learn how to add and mutiply. Lazy lazy lazyā
And donāt even get me started on the reaction to using computer programs to write computer programs - the invention of programming languages. The history books tell of a drama that shook the entire computer science world.
Get over it. Just because you can place a couple of lines does not mean youāre a great artist. If some random statistical model can outshine you, too bad.
PS: I had to place a lot of lines manually to fix that image up. The AI made a lot of mistakes. 
Careful where you go with those kinds of statements.
All I smell is a salty linedrawer who thinks heās an artist.
AI is a second party worker, that does the majority of your choices for you its not even comparable to digital drawing and quite frankly i do digital drawing.
And i dont care how many words you put in with how many pushups and dumbel curls you did to make the algoritm make an image INSTEAD of you.
And dont bring Photoshop into this, cropping automation is not near the scopes of the context of AI automation levels im discussing here.
Id love to see your traditional and digital works though?
I smell an unethical AI promter trying to put words in my mouth.
I never said im an artist, but infact im an art coach and ive prepared countless candidates for the Vienese academy of arts along with other universities im Bulgaria not that this matters in this argument at all.
You dont have to be an artist to know AI art is theft.
Just the same as you dont have to be a cheff to know the soup is rotten.
So another logical fallacy on your part, a furry prompter, how amusingly pathetic.
Why shouldnāt I bring Photoshop into this? Artists already use a metric ton of AI. There are even generative AI tools in it. Artists donāt seem to have a problem with that?
I canāt do lineart, but I donāt care. I donāt have to. Most engineers I know donāt remember how to multiply numbers. We donāt care about that, either. We have computers to do that for us - they can do it billions or even trillions of times per second. We are hopelessly outmatched.
So what do we do? Write complex systems that no AI could ever conceive of. The model would be far too large. We collaborate. And the same applies in art - there is no way in hell youāre going to get an AI to generate something like a World of Warcraft dungeon for example. The model would be far too large. We had a thread recently with GPT-4 trying to generate a WoW expansion and it was absolute unadulterated trash - and in order to fix youād have to put as much into it as you get out of it.
How do you think medieval writers felt when typesetters came along? And how do you think calligraphers felt when the Mac and dot matrix printers came along? They felt like you do now. Some realised they could go the next step up, most failed and found something else to do. Now I can typeset beautiful letters at insane speeds simply by tapping on a keyboard.
I know, but I could tell.
It isnāt. If the AI art was generated using training data that was copyrighted, it may be theft. Weāre finding out soon. But certainly the image above? Whoād I steal it from?
Oh no, something got democratised. How sad for you.
I can do things with engineering you couldnāt even conceive of. But you can install GitHub Copilot. Does that make you a programmer? Well, no. Not at all. It just means you donāt have to learn a language, except you actually do cause itāll make mistakes just like the image generator did.
But you got closer. And thatās perfectly fine with me. Iām not salty.
excuse me as i laugh for a few hours ill come back with a proper reply.
Nothing sadder than an artist with no soul, though, i admit calling you an artist is a little too much.
You can be angry and shout into the nether about it, but it isnāt going anywhere. Ai is just going to keep getting developed. At some point Iām sure weāll have Ai doing the majority of the work to make brand new games from scratch.
Iām not particularly fond of it myself.
Im not angry at the tyrants being tyrants im angry at the Average Joe not having empathy and depth and acts unethical towards another average Joe whoes gonna end up being himself in the future.
Those who want to understand will.
AI taking over already.
Riot laid massive amounts of employees
Blizzard and Microsoft now.
Firstly, Mircosoft fires people, not Blizzard
Secondly, 22000 is totall number of employees in Microsoft game studious, but the number of fired employees is 1900 and that is further split between Xbox, Bethesda and Blizzard studios. It may be connected to restructuring as Microsoft have their owd PR, marketing and other departments and they do not need 2 or even 3 from the studios they acquired.
Thirdly Microsoft shut down survival game project that has been in development by Blizzard for 6 years. One can say there might had been development hell as normally 4 years is enought for team focused on single project as was the case with WoW, but we do not see Activision and King layoffs, so it is safe to say Microsoft are not touching something that lays em golden eggs. Maybe they saw no potential in that survival game, neither in quality nor in monetisation parts.
This is important. Clock wonāt wind back. I hope artists get control over whether their art can be used in the training of AI models. I think companies like OpenAI are unduly hiding behind the concept of Fair Use to abuse the internet as a huge data set. We will see where this goes.
But to consider AI itself theft is insane. Itās statistical prediction based on a prompt. The more precise the prompt, the less decisions the AI will make on its own.
And of course donāt forget about the fact that ācreating a game from scratchā is something almost nobody does in the first place. Everybody likes to talk as if they do, but the truth is theyāre building upon thousands and thousands of tools created by my profession. Things like the C and C++ compilers and toolchains, C#, MSIL, Unity - and thatās just the innovations made by programmers in my country by people Iāve personally met.
Imagine if hundreds of thousands of programmers had come together to protest against Unity for taking their jobs in making individual game engines for every game? Pathetic.
Back in ye olden days themās people makinā Pong had to design their own circuit board! waves old man cane threateningly Yeah, glad I donāt have to.
I iterated over a thousand times and made tons of edits and a prompt long enough to be a short story, but because I admit I used AI, I am now the scum of the Earth. People who think like that are the ones the free market will shake off like a bad case of fleas.
Well thatās interesting. Does sound like a mismanaged project. A survival game should not take 6 years to make. I doubt they all deserved the sack, but some of them most definitely did.
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All in due time ,no game company ever gives all the cake at once if u catch my meaning.They have loads of patches and expansions to implement still, tho I m worried about the storyline and plots ,I m sure graphiques and customisations aren t a problem for Blizz, I d rather play WoW with cartoonish graphiques and good storylines and quests rather than shiny graphs and boring asf stories with mega gnomes and Trans
To be clear, I donāt think that. I get why people use it and enjoy it. And I didnāt tell my familymembers to stop this right now! haha, but I simply explained the situation and how it was affecting artists. As fellow artists they got why itās problematic.
There are a few aspects to it that make it so problematic. Art is fundamentally individualistic expression. You can slap a lot of fancy words on it but the driving motivator for most creatives is to express something in their own individual way. And if they are lucky, and work many years on it, and do all the stuff they usually hate like networking and reaching out and hounding others, they may make enough money to survive on it. For most itās pure passion.
AI craps all over that. Its teaching process has crapped all over that. Weāve lost and will lose artists over this, and while to some this is completely uninteresting or even amusing, it is a loss. Art is difficult to objectively justify, and yet without it the world is poorer imho.
Copyright violation is of course problematic. I think OpenAI should be held accountable if found guilty.
Ironically, it is not artists who came after them first, but news businesses. But itās the same either way.
This leads back to why I consider proper use of AI a tool. Cause if you just use the output of AI directlyā¦ oh dear.
As I mentioned, I had it generate over a thousand images and manually edited some of them. I think you saw some of it? Anyway, that was the stuff I liked. Most of what came out was horrid, malformed, wrong style, broken colours, ignored half the prompt, rotated 90 degrees, full of weird text, corrupted, duplicated on top of itself, vulgar, obscene, and even sexual. The AI shut itself down several times after providing an answer and just told me āSorry, your prompt is fine, but I canāt show that. Try again.ā
So when I go through a selection and editing process and cut these things together myself to get what I want, Iāve put some creativity I feel. It supplied the vast majority, though not all, of the skill, and I supplied a vision for what I wanted. Without the vision, there would be nothing more than an amorphous blob of āaverageā pictures with no context.
AI cannot replace the artist, but AI is an alternative to the process the artist would otherwise use. As I tried to explain to the overly dramatic druid who is now editing his posts, a linedrawer does not an artist make. Now, Iām not much of an artist, which is why the output I get isnāt very impressive and only a single image, but someone still had to give it something to work with.
I think OpenAIās ransacking of the internet to generate the ultimate all-purpose AI of supercomputing has belied what AI actually is. This is especially troubling seeing as explaining what it actually is is rather difficult.
AI is more commonly called machine learning, and it is simply a computer being given a bunch of information and forming relationships between them, and then being repeatedly told when it gets something wrong or something right. Examples of these algorithms are everywhere. For example, cable companies are losing their minds over the ML algorithms powering YouTube because itās outdoing their own curation systems - but nobody cares. Carefully programming video content is about to become a thing of the past, but is that theft? No, of course not.
Your response made me laugh, thank you! And while I agree in some ways, the fact is Art AI is literally using images made by humans and tweaking them slightly. Artists have been able to pinpoint what was theirs, as some of the images use about 80% of it at least. Itās insane, itās not some creative mix and match game in those cases but pure, unadulterated plagiarism. And without their consent, that to me is such a shocking part.
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I completely agree with this. I think the problem here is that OpenAI has been scouring the internet for pictures regardless of copyright, thinking that the AI will mix and blend it so much nobody will be able to tell any source, and thus it would be hidden from the world.
But turns out if you write a prompt that it think matches 80% something that exists, it spits 80% of that thing out, and Iāve got to say I think thatās a copyright violation, and so I agree with artists that AI and copyright law have some unfinished business.
However, I can pretty much guarantee to you that you wonāt find the image above elsewhere. Youāre welcome to try though 
I actually just now searched for āanthro panda with a moon in the backgroundā on Google, which is of course well short of my prompt but should pick up what I asked, and I actually see something very much like some of the images I rejected. Sometimes it would just ignore 95% of my prompt and just spit something like one of these out. Like Iāve actually seen a couple of them Iām pretty sure.
Yeah, thereās a problem here. But the problem is OpenAI, not the tool of AI.
We had the same problem when GPL code was being used by GitHub CoPilot. Which is also OpenAI. Again,
- OpenAI is being sued.
- AI is not the problem.
- Copyright infringement is the problem.
OpenAI is a very, very unethical business.
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