New customization options for blood elves and void elves

[Jesi-sunstrider (Jesi)]

Its a good moment to say that Sunreaver needs a damn new model lol

[Nezekan-kazzak]

@Lutia-argent-dawn

it could have all been avoided if Archmage Aethas Sunreaver did his duty and stopped the horde from stealing the divine bell but he choose treason to the kitrin tor and brand him self and the sunreavers as traitors many innocent blood elves was caught in the cross fire of this man’s hubris to this day this coward of a man has never come clean about his crimes and failures to uphold his oath to the Kirin tor as one of the Six

So the fact that he remained silent in fear of Garrosh justifies a genocide?

That is not how it works. Cowardice is not a crime, if you want to him that. You have a right to not die. Who would have thought.

[Lutia-argent-dawn]

he was a member of the high council he had a duty to uphold his failure to do the very job he was sworn to do justified in the eyes of us or not doomed the sunreavers and many shop keepers to a swift death at the hand of the SC who’s leader already disliked us and was against the horde being allowed into dalaran to begine with

[Nezekan-kazzak]

@Lutia-argent-dawn

he was a member of the high council he had a duty to uphold his failure to do the very job he was sworn to do justified in the eyes of us or not doomed the sunreavers and many shop keepers to a swift death at the hand of the SC who’s leader already disliked us and was against the horde being allowed into dalaran to begine with

Two wrongs does not make it right, and the second wrong is a much bigger one.

And its Lor’themar that backs down and works for peace in MoP, not the Alliance. Its him who makes the first step. That still leaves SC as traitors and kinslayers with false sense of moral superiority.

At least Jaina is apologetic about it in BfA.

[Lutia-argent-dawn]

we don’t know if Aethas came clean about what actually happen with the island of thunder it was clear that he was still deceiving the regent lord about the truth and legion gave no hints about it as well well other then one of his sunreavers betrayed him and sabotaged dalaran’s defenses and he was panicked that dadgar would find out

unlike most blood elves players i don’t hate aethas it’s actually a bit refreshing to see that outside his spell casting which are pretty impressive his kind of a serial screw up

[Savotar-argent-dawn (Savotar)]

@Lutia-argent-dawn

i rather they get rid of the blood elf name it was given by a man who betrayed his people to the legion in his own vanity and greed also the alliance tears would be sweet i guess

It was given by the man who at that point was not a traitor, and it was given specifically with a meaning behind it. Kael’thas betraying his people and Azeroth in general, does not destroy the meaning of the name ‘Blood Elf’.

[Jesi-sunstrider (Jesi)]

Its still stupid tho~ How can you rename entire race because you just happen to be a king? I cant wait to be renamed from human into earthling.

Another stupid thing is evolution of this race~
Zandalari > Dark Troll > Night Elf/Highborne > High Elf / Blood Elf / Void Elf

Can Blizzard stop already? Are they bored?

[Lutia-argent-dawn]

guess you missed the part where i was saying it was stereo type
and he wasen’t even king he was a prince no one ever crowned him king : P

Terran sounds cooler that’s what all the scifi generally go with

[Savotar-argent-dawn (Savotar)]

@Jesi-sunstrider

Its still stupid tho~ How can you rename entire race because you just happen to be a king? I cant wait to be renamed from human into earthling.

The people would obviously have to agree to it.
And why the heck would they not?

@Lutia-argent-dawn

guess you missed the part where i was saying it was stereo type
and he wasen’t even king he was a prince no one ever crowned him king : P

I believe in a situation of near-extinction, having your royalty being crowned is the least of anyone’s worries. The only thing that mattered is that he was royalty, he is going to try and save his people, follow him.

[Nezekan-kazzak]

Kael’thas is coming back in SL. Maybe you get a chance to ask him yourself.

[Lutia-argent-dawn]

Don’t look so smug I know what your thinking but death was merely a setback did you honestly think i would trust my future to some legion mongrel no no he was merely a stepping stone to a much larger plan … blah blah blah and then we beat the meme out of him

[Saeryn-auchindoun]

Whoa calm the crap down Brig… Did I kick your puppy or something?
If you wanna discuss this with your bristles out and being all riled up, that’s fine by me.

First of all I don’t see those who main an AR as any less valuable than those who main a CR, actually I’ve disliked the elitist attitude that CRs are “more important” since day 1. I’d rather we all be equal and everyone be prioritized, but that’s another discussion.
Failing that I’d rather they be prioritized in order of popularity, to please the maximum number of people and Velves are very popular as far as AR’s go.
So I don’t mind Velves getting something, even though I’d rather see all races getting more customizations. It’s not like Blizz can’t afford it.

Also I’d prefer it if you did NOT put words in my mouth. That is immature and I expected a lot better of you, but I guess that was wrong.
I have not asked for Blood Elf hair colors, and if you would calm yourself down and bother reading my comments in the first place you’d realize this.
All I’ve said is that I wouldn’t mind if they were added. Because it fits the lore of how Velves who wasn’t with Umbric when they were transformed by Durzaan would still look “normal”.
I’ve also said I understand that hairstyles will remain unique to each race, and that could easily be explained in lore through a simple desire among Void Elves to differentiate themselves from Blood Elves.

The only wishes I’ve posted personally is that I’d like one pitch black hair color and one completely white. But I’ve wanted that since Velves were introduced. That’s unrelated to their new skin colors.

As for your question on what Blood Elves are getting? More hairstyles, hair colors, eye colors, jewelry?

As for your two parter question there.

1. Nothing is revealed but I remain hopeful they’ll get something. I hope this sets a precedent and AR’s aren’t ignored.
2. More hair colors, eye colors, hair styles, jewelry and some facial hair that used to be unique to the Void Elves and some new ones.

And now that your complete and utter rant that was aimed at me for no reason is over. I’ll point out you didn’t answer my original question.
And I’d appreciate it if you took five damn seconds next time to check whether you’re aiming your frustrations at the right person.

[Zolanji-skullcrusher]

Thanks mate, its a “jade warrior” mog =)

[Evenmourn-the-shatar (Evenmourn)]

I do think it is a very common fantasy trope to link mana and lifeforce close together. In some fantasies your lifeforce IS your mana regardless of the type of magic.

I agree that the two are linked and the game is pretty clear on that point, but at the risk of reversing our positions on the past argument I don’t actually think the two can be fully equated, which is why I mostly kept it to mana wyrms, demons and others that we know are maintained by mana when talking about how blood elves draining those of mana also meant draining them of life.

While Illidan killed the magi he drained and we’ve seen others get killed when they’re entirely drained of mana by demons and so on, a big part of that, much like with the Sunwell going down, is psychological. It’s mentioned in the Warcraft Encyclopedia and I’ll check Chronicle and update this later on, that while Kael was scared that his people would keel over lacking mana, that wasn’t actually going to kill them unless they were already infirm and that was just the last push they needed. This is carried over in the withered since while they turn into pseudo-zombies, showing that a lack of mana can have a physical effect, they don’t actually die from it. And from blood elves to Nightborne to then mana wyrms and demons, they occupy different steps in terms of how much an inflow of mana is physical need.

Put another way, I think the connection is contingent on how much mana the target already uses and gets before hand. So if they were draining say, a random human farmer, he’d be a lot less affected than the equivalent average elf, who in turn would be less affected than a mage or something entirely maintained by mana.

[Leerena-aerie-peak]

Honestly looking at some of the comments who are saying they would love to see Alliance players cry all the time…this is JUST A GAME! You are supposed to have fun in it! Not be toxic to other players because it’s brings you joy to see others cry! Honestly if that’s how you are then you are an awful human being! Get a life or find something else to do but not be toxic and rude to other players because they are just saying their opinions!

[Paxmillian-argent-dawn]

@Brigante-argent-dawn

@Saeryn-auchindoun

Wait a minute… Are you and Brig the same person?

I suspect I have the misfortune of being older…

@Saeryn-auchindoun

Anyway, if it’s a no. Why is it a problem that Void Elves get Blood Elf hair colors?
Personally I wouldn’t use blondes, browns or reds even if they were supplied.
I just want one black one, (real black like your human there) and one white one, like the Night Elf white one.

Name another Allied Race that is getting updates. Now name another Allied Race that is not satisfied with these updates, but wants ones that belong to a core race?

There aren’t any.

That’s your problem. Void/High Elves want the Blood Elf stuff -as well as- being the only Allied Race that is getting an update. Don’t you for a moment see how bad that looks? The precedent?

We were told for ages that High Elf skins for Void Elves would be enough. That is happening. It did not even take a day before people are demanding extra classes, Blood Elf Styles, Blood Elf Hair colours.

What -is- there about the Blood Elf Core race that has not been asked for by some Pro-High Elf person?

(I’ll give you a short answer. Nothing)

Some want Tattoos still because Alleria, despite her not having even -been- on Azeroth when the schism happened.

This is exactly the thing that High Elf Fans promised would not happen, and it didn’t even take 24 hours before it did.

Fantastic. They didn’t want High Elves. They wanted Blood Elves but playable as Alliance.

Basically two Races for the slot of one. So where is the Horde alternative?

I mean if the High Elves are getting all the Blood Elf stuff, then what new stuff are the Blood Elves, the 90% of the Race getting as a compensation for this?

Don’t you see the problem. An Allied Race has a unique option that no other Allied Race on Horde or Alliance has gotten, and this is -still- not enough? They want -everything- that a Core race has?

Answer me that.

1. What are the other Allied Races getting?
2. What -extras- are the Blood Elves getting, so that the High+Void Elves suddenly don’t get all their options?

Core Race>Allied Race. I thought everyone understood that, until now, when truly, a half mile has been given, but that is not enough, now it must be absolute parity with a Core Race.

I am truly beginning to see why this may have been a bad idea, and I supported High Elves for Alliance. Not High Elves plus other options.

So yeah, those two questions. If you can’t answer those, then you have right there, the problem.

This is precisely why I posted a few days ago the Allied Race Parity thread for other AR players to have a space to raise awareness that we’d like to have some extras too seeing as velf have changed the precedent here. It’s only fair.

Here’s the link for anyone interested: Allied Race Customisation Parity in SL - #5 by Paxmillian-argent-dawn

[Azrathel-argent-dawn (Azrathel)]

@Blunderhoof-nordrassil

So I suppose no

You suppose wrong. To this day, I still think blood elves ought to get more options, as well as keep and upgrade Silvermoon as a Horde city.

@Brigante-argent-dawn

People seem to want everything that a Core race has, despite -No- other Allied Race getting the same demands, or any demands for that matter.

What we want are proper high elf options. That does include a lot of blood elf options. That being said, we’re not arguing against giving the same amount of love to other allied races. With these features coming, it’s clear that this will be as close as we’ll ever get to playable high elves. So, we’ll ask for this to become as close to playable high elves as possible.

@Brigante-argent-dawn

People want Blood Elf stuff on Alliance.

That’s not OK.

We want high elf stuff, as we’ve been wanting for years. You’ve been in favour of this before. What’s changed?

@Brigante-argent-dawn

For every request for a High/Void Elf thing you want from the Core race, you propose an equal benefit to the Core race that the High Elves are based of.

I’m not really playing blood elves, so asking for options for them isn’t my place. But if you, or other real blood elf players have suggestions, I’ll throw in my support.

@Brigante-argent-dawn

You are asking for one singular Allied Race to have everything that a Core race has.

Not green eyes. Not all the hairstyles. Especially not the new ones. Not the jewellery, earrings or heritage armour. But for these to be able to be played as proper high elves, we do need some of the options that are available to blood elves, such as hair colours. If not, they won’t be plausible high elves. Which are, again, what we’ve been asking for for over a decade. These upcoming changes will be the closest we’re likely to ever get to that, and we’re making a case pleading for that.

[Parrydodger-mograine]

I would just hide the helm and cloak, it looks much better then

[Nezekan-kazzak]

@Azrathel-argent-dawn

What we want are proper high elf options. That does include a lot of blood elf options. That being said, we’re not arguing against giving the same amount of love to other allied races. With these features coming, it’s clear that this will be as close as we’ll ever get to playable high elves. So, we’ll ask for this to become as close to playable high elves as possible.

Well you are getting far more than that, including the new blood elf skins that traditional high elves never had.

Paler skin and blue eyes would have been all it took. Because its not just the blood elf identity on the line, but the void elf one as well. Vast majority of void elves looking like blood elves (empowered by a font of light power) is pretty much going to smash the identity of Ren’dorei.

I do think void elves should have gotten worgen treatment. Meaning they get to look full Thalassian out of combat, but entropic embrace is forced for duration of combat. (at least visually).

[Azrathel-argent-dawn (Azrathel)]

@Nezekan-kazzak

Well you are getting far more than that, including the new blood elf skins that traditional high elves never had.

Seeing as these aren’t lorewise new skin options, as much as visual updates for something that’s supposed to have been present all along, this is quite logical to add to high and blood elves alike. These are physical trait that’s supposed to have been a part of the Thalassian race all along. There’s no lore friendly reason to add the old blood elf skin options without also adding the new ones (and hair colours with that).

@Nezekan-kazzak

Because its not just the blood elf identity on the line, but the void elf one as well. Vast majority of void elves looking like blood elves (empowered by a font of light power) is pretty much going to smash the identity of Ren’dorei.

People who want to play void elves will still continue to do so. Just look at my character, his appearance and his mog. It ain’t going nowhere! I’m extremely happy with my voidy void void elf. His void elf identity faces no threat by this what so ever. People who want to play as high elves will play as high elves, and will threaten neither void nor blood elves in the slightest.