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that still happens in 20-30% of matches and leaves the opponents an opportunity to beat them, unlike with sync premades that always win every fight. You also assume it’s always a full 5 man group which is often not the case, If you don’t bring enough strong players with you, you can’t carry every team fight and sometimes you can only win by tactics.
This being said, stacking so many strong players in the group you join with that you can reliably win every fight shouldn’t be a thing. Therefore, abolish syncing and limit group size.
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Lots of BG’s a single good boomy can carry. Now imagine 3+2 good heals. There is no winning sorry, unless the enemy team is randomly stacked with meta classes and yours is not. Imo that is just cope. Maybe you really believe it. I don’t.
It’s extreme cope on your side to claim that there’s nothing wrong with syncing when it results in 99% wins and equating it to small groups and solo leaders that come no where near these results.
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Everybody can do it, that is why I think it is fine. Others decide to abandon their teams after first lost fight instead, match after match. Same problem, different solutions. I think syncing is the more constructive approach and if more people would do it would increase match quality immensely.
I would also love to see some incentives from Blizzard for more people to lead. Besides just being reported by everybody for trying that is…
I would love you to sync as well, tbh. The more strong premades, the better.
Yes, everybody can bend the rules and make a sync premade. Pandora made a sync premade stronger than everyone else, everyone lost to her including other sync premades and everyone started dodging her.
All syncing does is it makes it so that the match is decided before it begins depending on who brought the stronger players with them into the round. It will be an arms race about who can bring the highest quality players in the largest quantity. That team gets to win while the other team can’t do anything.
This circumventing of the 5-man rule should not exist and only leads to problems.
The problem is not leading / strategy calling.
Everyone who wants to do it already does and with great effect.
The problem is circumventing the 5-man limit to create an unbeatable team.
Abolish syncing and limit group size.
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That would not change without syncing. Only difference is that it is now 100% RNG. Less player agency better? Not so sure about that.
Unbeatable for you, that is the real problem. ^^
If your idea of player agency is stacking your team with premade fighters so strong that your opponents never stand a chance (which you can only do because you bend the rules), then yeah, take that away.
Sometimes you should roll the weaker team and lose the fight and then you have to make use of actual tactics if you want to win.
Unbeatable for everyone except for other syncers who also abuse the system and join with group sizes that were never intended.
Sometimes that even works. Like in 0.001% of cases.
Same as you are unbeatable unless you face another 5-man. Or do you dodge them all as well?
P.S. Gnight for now, I really need some sleep. Hopefully to dream of some miraculous wins against stronger teams.
All you syncers know is brute force. Last week I won 2 rounds with backdoor and 2 rounds by pushing and recapping hangar with a random team after an initial setback where my team was weaker out of 10 rounds I played that day. Yes, tactics work, and they work often.
Complete bs. First of all, I am not in a full 5 group most of the time, secondly, I lose 20-30% of my rounds, often to random teams, some even without leaders because I can’t carry enough when my team is weak and I only brought myself and one friend.
I don’t have to dream, I experience that every time I play epic bgs.
But it’s good to know that the only way you know to win is crushing the other team by stacking player quality. Tbf, we all knew that about you syncers.
Why do you pretend that 5-mans are “beatable” for randoms then? When you do not even play as a 5-man most of the time? That makes your winrate not really a metric anybody should rely on to judge how strong 5-mans against totallly random teams are.
Wrong. I know enough about tactics to know that bruteforce is in almost all cases the best tactic. That is just how epics are designed. Sure you can cheese wins if the enemy team is asleep sometimes(them being at GY is just better tho), but to rely on that is a fools errand. Against another leader with a stronger team it is pretty much impossible and my 0.001% chance of success is probably not too far off.
Why not make it happen against Larkus then? Just outsmart him. Why dodge? Bruteforce is not the best tactic afterall…
Okay, now really good night. Sleep well. <3
Because small groups of 3-5 players only make up around 10% of the team and they can still be beaten if you get lucky with your team and roll a stronger team on average.
Also, I’m in favor of reducing the allowed group size from 5 to 3.
The average epic bg player has the awareness of a potato.
No, far from it. It is impossible against sync premades though because you can’t compete with their raw numbers.
Just outsmart a guy who circumvents the 5-man limit to get 15 handpicked high dps / hps players into the round with him while my average teammate is a casual.
Just outsmart him, kappa.
Once, playing solo, I got to AV with you, you were the leader. From your community, I counted 12 people who are in the same BG with you.
Of course, you will now say that you cannot control when other players queue and forum members who do not quite understand and know how it works will most likely believe you.
But I will tell you how it actually works…
You queue, even solo, it does not matter, the whole community can easily track this and queue with you, you understand, right? This is the whole secret of creating communities. Even without being premade/synchronized, you can easily become a part of it.
So it turns out, Fistus, theoretically you do not synchronize, but in fact, yes.
I think everyone understands that banning group play won’t change anything?
Any of the leaders queues solo - the community sees it - queues with him - ready-made premade without synchronization. And everyone will claim that 30 people got into one raid “completely by accident”
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War game central is not a community like most other epic bg communities. I wanted to host events and war games so I needed many players and I recruited them in bulk by sending out an invitation in raid chat that everyone could join. The idea was to get many players under one roof, announce an event at a certain date and those who wanted to participate could join.
This approach didn’t quite work out because although we had many players, there was little user engagement within the community and not enough players signed up for larger events, so it’s basically just an assortment of random epic bg players under one roof. I was planning on finding the active members by hosting 10v10 RBGs within the community, a smaller community with higher activity would be better for hosting war games and events.
In fact, these are just random players more than anything and most of them aren’t particularly strong fighters.
They do leave when it’s vs Zado. In all the games I have played vs Zado, it felt exactly like other premades. If the other team does not have a leader, which seems the be the vast majority, the one who gets its directions through /rw are almost always going to win and it’s not even close.
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Zado is just a guy with a small group who leads teams with communication, unlike sync premades, he is beatable and I defeat him often.
People who lead a 40 man bg through /rw will almost always win vs an uncoordinated team. That is just a fact. Almost every game I have played against him has been 1 sided and it wasn’t even close.
All you have to do to counter Zado is to spontaneously coordinate your team, what you have to do against sync premades is you have to bring a sync premade of your own before the round starts. If you haven’t brought a sync premade, you are screwed no matter what.
That usually doesn’t work if you’re not the raid leader. People respond differently to red text and a sound in the middle of the screen vs normal chat. If it was up to me, /rw would be disabled.
Look up who has the crown, ask for them to pass it to you and in 80% of cases, they will do it.