After playing with the changes for more than one month, I feel that while m+ is IMO pretty good (with the affixes and the changes to tyrannical/fort), the changes to gearing (mainly the vault) are a strict downgrade.
M+ only source of myth track is through the great vault (same as previous seasons).
The vault is heavily rng (same as previous seasons).
To be able to get myth track, you need to complete a +10 dungeon.
In order to gear up your character through m+, you have to spam dungeons, and be lucky enough to have an upgrade of myth track in your 3 slots (like previous seasons).
Over time you get upgrades through your vault, so that in the span of the season, you hope to have your bis items drop from there (like previous seasons).
Ok so most of the gearing path is the same as previous seasons, let’s compare now what effect the changes had:
Alts:
While in the previous seasons it was easy to gear them up, through progressing linearly through the dungeons, now if you do not have a friend group to help you with weeklies, it is really hard to go for 10s in order to get the myth track vault (and to not feel like you are permanently behind).
In previous seasons the difficulty jump was pretty linear in order to unlock the myth track from the vault. This season the difficulty is more of a cliff than a curve.
Casual players:
In the previous seasons I had several group of friends that while behind initially, we could play together through the season to do our weeklies. This season, the difficulty is so steep that I feel that we play different games.
As with alts, in previous seasons, being behind 1-2 weeks was no big deal, since reaching myth track was easy enough, to catch up pretty fast. This season without being able to get myth track earlier than +10s, slows down gearing so much, that it widens the rift even more.
I understand that almost everyone has a different opinion on this matter, so feel free to share yours. I want to see how more hardcore or casual players see the new system.
P.S:
I understand the point that people make that the best gear should come through the hardest content, but gearing from m+ is not like that. This works for raids because you mainly get gear from the bosses, and then get another chance for an item through the vault. Now with this system, it feels like people need to progress, in order to START PROGRESSING again, in order to fill their bis gear.
P.S.2:
To be clear, I have been filling my vault with 10s form the 2nd week, and I have no problem finding a group to do my weeklies. My feedback comes more from the fact that I feel a barrier has been created for my alts, and especially more casual friends that I had in the game.
For many reasons that legion was hated by the others i liked the m+ there.
Simple and easy to do. Casual friendly? Not back then but looking at m+ now i can say it was.
I was doing m15 on my warrior with ease.
I’m a person who relies on pugging. I like the difficulty this season BUT it relies on being in a competant group. Which this season ive found it hard to get into competant groups, and the time spent getting into groups has been a nightmare. I do think that the mythic gear has kind of been gatekeeped for the more hardcore players which to some degree I suppose it should be. I think previously you had to do +6 or +16 to get the mythic crests and if memory serves me correct your great vault reward was mythic from +6.
Personally i only ever go for the mythic gear for the transmog of the set though. I dont raid on mythic and i dont push that much over the 2k m+ rating.
Ive got my 2k and im taking a break from m+ because I’m a bit burnt out from spending 30 mins+ trying to get into a group for the key to be a bust.
(Endgame) Gearing in WoW always sucked tbh
Because it always involves jumping through flaming hoops to be allowed to pull once the lever of a slot machine
Eh not quite as dramatic as that. There is still progression through +5, +7, +9 etc. The difference is that the gap has become really big and slow for a big part of the community.
Yes, the difference being that instead of needing a coin to pull the lever, you now need a bill.
what progression ? there is 0 progression below +10s as you get all the gear you need from dvelves.
only thing you " progress" if you .io score to be able to join groups capable of clearing 10s which give you actual rewards.
you basicly gwt kitted out in gear in 2 weeks of enjoyable dvelves gear progress and then you have to spend hundrds of hours to even get 1 real upgrade a week from +10 GV.
You get way faster gear in M+ than from delves. A map is like 10% dropchance… 20 minutes for 1 delve, 200 minutes for 1 map. In M+ you get more items and more crests.
I am not sure what the difference is. The vault rewards are RNG. But from both activities you get guarenteed vault options.
The main difference is that you can farm hero gear and crests in M+ way faster than in delves.
what you dont realise that if you dont get mythci quality gear it doesnt matter if you have slot in champions or hero - both are effectivley capped at 619 itlv which is more then enough to clear +10s .
Due to the Vault from Delves there are no slots I want to farm. Most of my squad are ~610 with Hero gear in good slots. I don’t farm weaker slots like rings, neck, wrist.
I also think certain slots have a lower drop rate from content. The last 4 maps I’ve used have given me trinkets (On 4 different characters) and in about 100 Bountiful Delves chests I’ve received 2 weapons. Meanwhile I have enough trinkets to start a trinket business.
I am not denying, with tons of delves done, your squad will get filled up with hero track and are 610 now. But with M+ those chars would be 620+, with less time investment.
Well I’m not in much of hurry. I always do it this way, it’s way easier once everyone has better gear and 4 piece. My Druid should probably already be in the keys but I’m being too lazy to watch dungeon guides.
I’m only really focused on my Druid and DH. The other characters I’m just playing for fun.
Oh of course! I am not debating anthing like that!
I am debating statements that people are better off doing delves instead of M+. While delves initially do reward some nice (champion) gear to get into M+.
And obviously the statements of being stuck at max 619. In my oppinion the 2 extra tracks on myth-gear is a mistake, and it makes maxed out hero-gear look like nothing, but being stuck at 619 at the end of the season is just wrong.
I will probably not bother with doing m+ with alts this season. And the massive difference from +9 to +10 is not much fun. You time a 9 and then go into a 10 and it feels like a totally different gamemode im clearly not good enough for 10’s yet, but it didnt have to be such a big slap in the face
im clearly not good enough for 10’s yet, but it didnt have to be such a big slap in the face 