NEW M+ System and Waitlist?

you’re giving me big old aunt vibes everytime you post something like this. i feel like it’s gonna have a follow up of you saying ‘‘don’t do drugs’’.

game should let players know this .

Sure. But let me tell you that after years in wow, the impediment to finding a good guild is yourself and not other people or “the system”. People in general STILL dont understand that a guild is a social environment. Like going to a bar with people.

A lot of drama in guild would not happen if people were face to face. People don’t understand that. Just look at reddit and the forums… :smiley: What do you expect?

Also, people having unrealistic expectations. Assuming everything is catered to them and that guildies are more similar to NPCs than people. Or assuming that they can do Mythic raiding when in reality the don’t have the skill, time, or want to put the effort to do it. And then get angry and blame others when reality sinks in.

And lastly: Participation. People join a guild and expect everyone to be waiting for you, or don’t do squat. Well no. You have to participate. Join discord and small talk… propose activities… the usual stuff in a social setting.

Ive seen it all… :slight_smile: But rarely people willing to adapt and compromise with others. Thats rare.

Beats being nasty to people telling them they are stupid for not knowing how things work in the game.

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As was mentioned, no addon needed. But https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/premade-groups-filter can automatically filter the list a second time. I’m particularly fond of the partyfit filter, which hides groups that don’t have room for you/your group anyway. If you are alone and your role is set to healer, it hides all groups with a healer in them. If you are a DPS with a tank in the group, it hides all groups with a tank and/or 3 DPS in them.

That’s going to be true for the 10-20 range, but not at the very high end like 23+ which the OP talked about.

Being able to flag yourself as “LFG in dungeons X, key levels Y, as role Z” would reduce the manual tedious “refresh and click apply every 10 seconds” workflow that the OP described.

Except for just one dungeon you are faced with a listing of 50-100 dps in a very short space of time. It’s just going to be one big mega list of dps players. if they never queue for specific keys like we do now.

The thing is, given you can only apply for 5 keys, if you don’t make your query somewhat specific it’s not really going to result in any flooding. If 100 players decide to auto-queue for 20s, a freshly listed 20 won’t immediately receive 100 applicants; it will only receive those who weren’t already queued for 5.

Also, given that 20s aren’t rare compared to 23s, I think most players would manually allocate their applications than just make the system sign them up for 5 arbitrary groups. So you don’t end up registering your rogue for a group that already has two rogues and is explicitly looking for BL or CR.

Still would like some kind of notification system. Any addon nerd that could tell us if such a thing would be possible? I.e. “Let me know if a +22 Halls of Infusion key gets listed”.

It would also be a better idea because a system that automatically signs people up might make leaders insta decline “second zero” applicants because they might be AFK or have just left the system on even though they don’t have the time/inclination to do that key anymore.

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Currently you will get up to 100 dps applicants, and that is just for one key. If you are going to list all the players in the EU at once as available it’s going to be a nightmare to sort or even be able to find people.

In the old days when we still had a system where you listed yourself for content. We were realm bound. But even then it was a bad system where you just sat listed for ever, you tended to forget about it.

It would need to be quite a smart system to do all the things you want, but it’s a sensible approach. You don’t necessarily want duplicate rogues etc. It would needs some pretty hefty ability to filter.

As I understand, the OP’s idea is simply that if a relevant key gets listed, they get signed, following the exact same rules as manual signups. You are not put on a gigantic waiting list of people looking for group that gets submitted to any group that starts. You simply automatically sign up for relevant keys. If your criteria for “relevant keys” is too wide, you will quickly sign up for too many and the 5 queue cap will keep you from signing up for more.

So just a way to automate the signing up process?

Ok, actually, that was just my “viable interpretation” of what OP said. Seems yours with a giant waiting list is more spot on. Anyway, notification system, can has? In computer science terms, interrupts are preferable to polling.

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My older mmorpg had a manual group making tool (similar to LFG), and it had waiting room, where a group maker could invite people to their group from the list. I can say - it was quite useful tool, though as usuall - healers/tanks were in highest demand.

Still, was a nice way to fill up group without waiting for sign-ups.

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Oh, I am already using that. Hence the “do I need an addon” question.

Just play healer or tank and stop whining, there are plenty of dps folks around who are your rio and much higher.

please read before reply im waiting for key holders create new key . whats matter on this healer or dps or tank

yes so you don’t spend half an hour refreshing lfg page for applying to 5 dungeons and can actually do other stuff in the meantime

As I posted in a similar thread moments ago:
After years of a toxic PuG scene (not caused by M+ but exacerbated by it) where those commenting on it were met with responses such as:
“That’s not toxic”
“You need thicker skin”
“Grow a pair”
“L2P”
“Git Gud”

I don’t think M+ is compatible with PuGing any longer as so many moderate players have either joined casual guilds or communities or given up entirely on grouped content.

A new format of dungeoneering is required for random grouping (PuGs). Maybe call it Heroic+.

It should have features such as:
Random Match Maker queue.
Everyone shares the consquences, rewards and penalties.
Either no tank or healer is required or these must be encouraged in.
Rewards need to be balanced in regard to Time and Effort compared to M+.

Leave M+ for those with stable groups to continue with.

That comment was relevant to this:-

I do not interpret it the same way as Yeet has.

Hence my response to the OP’s suggestion was:-

So being able to list yourself and forget about it and being listed with thousands of others will make it a nightmare to form groups. In the existing system you can have a list of 50-100 dps in a very short space of time. And that is with the limitation of only being able to apply to five groups.

If you could list yourself for any dungeon, any level, it would be insane how many people would show as available. Even if you put a specific dungeon level, like any +20 in any dungeon.

current way is has not effective either , it just leads more wasted time then this suggested method because with this way you can actually do other things too , instead of waiting to get accepted for a key on lfg screen for several minutes.

but you can’t filter the people that listed themselves , for example lead can’t filter it to just see dps with bl so they make others wait as a backup incase they can’t find a bl dps.

that would be way better to see all the available options other than waiting for someone new and again, refreshing the lfg page every second to apply to a new group. automation exists for a reason , to help ease the process.

Whilst I would love to be able to queue for more than five at a time, that is not to say that the suggestion to list yourself for everything would make anything better. I have explained why it would make things worse, thousands of dps, it’s hard enough when you have 50+ applicants.

DPS with a bloodlust means you are looking for a Hunter, Shaman, Mage or Evoker. You can see what classes people are applying as in the current system. A massive list of every person looking for an m plus will not make that easier. The system will be totally flooded.

Automation exists for auto queue content. PuG content is not automated. It is where a lead has control over what they want in their set up.