New races for paladins in the next expansion trailer?

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First of all Worgen are not Furries (Yes I said it).
The Furrys are the Vulpera. Werewolf mythology and lore existed long before the rise of the Furrys.

Beings of Light and Shadow still does not change the Light and Shadow itself. Demons are creatures of the Fel but even though they have Fel in their flesh and blood they can still be harmed by Fel itself.
A Void/Shadow Naaru like Muuru or Maara the Dark Star can still harm other Naaru who are in their Light form.

So that being said. Unless Blizzard Entertainment retcons their own lore to try and Square that Circle.
You have to understand how things work. The Worgen are a CURSED people. This is connected to Druidism magics and nature itself. It can heal and restore but it can also harm and curse. So the Light will inevitably interact with the CURSE of the Worgen.
The Light has got power to cleanse remove and undo Curses yes. But should the light be able to remove the Curse of the Worgen then they are no longer Worgen.

The Night Elf Druids simply made it possible for Gilneans to live with the curse of the Worgen but to not undo the curse itself. Since it was Night Elf use or misuse of the Pack form that afflicted others with the curse of the Worgen in the first place.
Living with a curse does not mean that you are not cursed. The Forsaken had to learn or be taught to not only come terms with but to “live” with the curse of Undeath.

The problem is. That the Light will be coexisting with a curse within the same vessel. This is as silly as Void Elf Paladin. To have the Void and the Light coexisting is to undo established lore and foundations of the WoW universe. If Void and Light could coexist then why would Void Elves be driven away from Silvermoon by the Blood Elves, if not to protect the Sunwell from the Void?

It is an obvious answer. Simply game mechanics. Nothing more. Not being able to play your preferred class with a different race will upset some of the playerbase. Then they will argue that Nerzhul was a Priest so why can’t Orcs be allowed to be Priests?
You can not have a race be able to be ONLY Shadow Priests and not Discipline and Holy Priests.
Nerzhul is a Shadow Priest. Even as Warchief of the Horde the Nerzhul that became the soul of the Helm of Domination or the Lich King. He never embraced or used the Light.

Orcs as a race are a Shamanistic people. Always have been always will be. Following the Spirits being in tune with the Elements not necessarily devotion or any connection to the Light.
In the Orc heritage armour questline. You see through Drakka the wife of Thrall. For the Greenskin Orcs to return to their roots, Establish customs and traditions from the old world (that they blew up).
Far seers are/were spiritual leaders of the Orcish people. So the Greenskin Orcs had no leaders when the elements broke their ties and connections to the Orcs, Only generals and Warchiefs but no Spiritual leaders. Thrall himself the “world Shaman” lost his connection to the elements and had to regain it.

Now please try and address the points I am making and not just argue for the sake of arguing.
My guess is that those within the World of Warcraft writing team will offer zero explanation or retcons. But simply take the: because we said so, path and establish it as the new normal. Like Gnome Hunters - Draenai and Tauren Rogues etc…

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Furry is any antropomorphic animal

Both those sentences have no logical connection, you just said “white is blue so grass is on fire”
I’ll pass on communicating with you further

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Not sure if you are aware of this, but there are already a handful of Forsaken Paladins in the game cannonically. Most of them were previously in the Scarlet Crusade and were raised as Undead, but they have kept their affinity for using Holy Magic.

Some examples that I could remember:
Scarlet Commander Marjhan
Crusader Lord Valdelmar
Sir Zeliek, one of the 4 horsemen in Naxxramas

These are all undead, who use Holy abilities (Crusader’s Strike, Divine Storm, HoJ and Lay on Hands etc.)

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Interesting.
I am familiar with that quest that you come across Undead members of the Scarlet Crusade.
The ‘sanity’ of the Forsaken and Undead in general must always be brought into question. Some of the greatest liars are those that are able to deceive themselves. So convinced in their cause are the Scarlet Crusade that they split the world into Scarlet Crusade and potential Undead. Some unwilling to face the truth that even they are not immune to the curse of Undeath.

Which is why even though they became the very things that they swore to destroy they maintain their conviction. Ignoring memories of their deaths and their current state of Undeath. Yet as abominations to the Light they are still harmed by the very Light that they call upon…

The Undead that are able to access the Light are beings of unwavering willpower. As using the Light causes them crippling pain.
What is pain to the Undead? Unless you permanently kill them.
Unlike the living that feels Hope Love Courage Comfort as it is said that these are some of the positive feelings the Light brings about in it’s users. The Undead feel the opposite that is sometimes required to use it as Undeath is full of misery and depressive feelings. Even for those that request it like Thomas Zelling the Tidesage in Battle for Azeroth.
As in Undeath he almost killed the very family that in life he would have done anything to protect.

Sometimes the Light in World of Warcraft operates similar to the Green Light of Willpower in the DC universe Lantern Corps. In that it responds to willpower - faith - conviction.

As for Sir Zeliek. He is an anomly but there is an explanation. Granted people are free to research the lore for themselves.

To call Sir Zelliek an Undead Paladin is not entirely correct.
You see the dead is not necessarily the curse of Undeath. As the Undead are trapped between Life and Death itself. Yes they are no longer living but they are not permanently among the dead.

Socrethar the Eternal. The Draenai as a race proves that it is possible to bind Spirits/Souls to a construct. Shadowlands even introduced soul forging.
Sir Zelliek was one of the Knights of the Silver hand and one of the most powerful Paladin in life. Which is the very reason why Kelthuzaad wanted him after he was slain in battles against the Scourge. Kelthuzaad FAILED to turn Sir Zeliek into a Death Knight as he still maintains his powerful Faith - Conviction - Willpower in the Holy Light even in death.

Sir Zeliek is not a Death Knight but still granted the rank of one of the 4 Horsemen. His body is forced to obey Kelthuuzad but his Spirit/Soul is trapped. Even as he is forced to obey the will of the Scourge. Like when he killed the Dwarf Brannegan Thunderhammer Sir Zelliek apologised to him.
Sir Zelliek maintains his belief that his resistance to his capture is righteous. This in itself is part of his unwavering conviction maintaining his connection to the Light. No matter what pain and damage it inflicts on his body.

Sir Zelliek can still be heard within Naxxramas trying to WARN the players many times despite being trapped in a body that is forced to obey Kelthuuzad.
The dead in the Shadowlands of Bastian. The dead collected by Titan construct Odin within the Halls of Valor. The spirits of the Loa. Even the dead that were trapped in Frostmourne.

Sir Zeliek the anomly. His Spirit/Soul IS that of a Paladin however it is trapped in or bound to the body of an Undead. Kelthuzaad failed to change the Spirit/Soul of Zeliek into Undeath ONLY reanimating his body.
Time and again the dead spirits have been shown to have a connection to the Light. But being dead and being in a state of Undeath are two different things.
It is possible to seperate the Spirit/Soul of the Dead/Undead. This is what happened to Lilian Voss in Scholomance the player could see the state of her soul. Of a Forsaken forced into Undeath.
Sylvannas once had her spirit separated from her body by Arthas but was eventually able to return to her body. However she had already been afflicted with the curse of Undeath.

The greatest piece of evidence that the dead can resist Undeath is Tirion Fordring. When the Death Knights tried and failed to raise him into Undeath. They picked a terrible location to do so. As the Light is extremely powerful and concentrated at Light’s Hope Chapel. Needless to say Tirion Fordring and or the Light resisted. His spirit forever connected to the Light his Faith - Conviction - Willpower never wavering. Even when caught between Guldan Krosus dropped into a pool of Fel liquid. He later dies from the torture of the Jailor demons the wounds inflicted on him.

Sir Zeliek is the closest thing to an “Undead Paladin” but yet he is not an Undead Paladin. Seperating his spirit/soul from the undead body that is trapped in will free him.

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Sometimes explanations take a bit long.
However. Just because something is in the game does not mean that it is canon in the Lore.
The Orc’s as a people never embraced the Light. Until High Exarch Yrel gave them a choice to embrace the Light or not. Those that refused renamed themselves as Maghar Orcs. Those that embraced the Light I believe became Lightbound.

Before then the Orcs were and are a Shamanistic people. Nerzhul himself former Warchief of the Horde was never a Light using Priest but Shadow and Void. Warlocks are also connected to the Void if I remember correctly. So him dabbling with the Scepter of Sargeras amongst other things led to the death of Draenor its remains becoming Outland.

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Diversity… when it bothers you so much to play a different race for a class :clown_face:

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Nigh elf and Nightborne Paladins when?

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Based forumposter

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Patiently waiting for my Worgen Shaman… just hoping they will make totems be bones sticking up from the ground - for the meme :stuck_out_tongue:

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