New races for paladins in the next expansion trailer?

[Moltensage-turalyon (Moltensage)]

@Dralkharn-draenor

it does make sense because mag’har have playable priests, and no “canonicaly they can use only shadow” is your pure headcannon (if you think that is) and doesn’t addressed like this by game in any way, they didn’t decide to not “embrace light”, all we know that they didn’t want to follow will of naaru, and believe it or not judging by the fact that naaru have contrasting personalities they are not monolith

Sigh.
Not headcannon but knowledge of World of Warcraft. The Orcs are a Shamanistic people. Their Priests as in Nerzhul never really embraced the Light. Their history is the loss of their connections to the elements because they chose to drink the Fel blood of demons.

Priest does not mean one is dedicated to the Light. The Loa have their own Priests. Having Maghar as Priests is more of an ingame function. As a race that is not allowed to be Priests would not be acceptable for the player base as a whole.

@Dralkharn-draenor

surface level lore knowledge, worgen’s curse is failed attempt to tame spirit of goldrinn and basically unlock “werewolf form” by druids, and worgens are at peace with their wolf form right now, it’s not a shadow or fel spell

Yeah there is a Vulpera player just like you. That is smug thinking they know more lore and such. The Worgen curse is an off-shoot of the Pack Form. Which is a more savage and provingly uncontrollable form of Druidism. The Night Elves are a very savage people. It was developed around the war with the Saytr. Either way it is a unique curse. There are different types of curse that are not undeath. Either in game mechanics or the Lore. The Light has never been known to curse. Not once.

@Dralkharn-draenor

yeah yeah and?

The thread is about the expansion of Paladin. More specifically the creation of knew Paladin orders. However Paladin are/were unique. A reflection of their race. So knowledge of the different type of Paladin can be helpful.
The Blood Elves are not a “noble” race at all. The Naaru are not just beings of Light as the Draenai and even some Draenai will have you believe. Maara the Dark Star that Nerzhul was trying to tap into in Warlords of Draenor is another example of this.

The Naaru are one power source for Paladin orders. Both the Draenai and the Blood Elves are Naaru powered Paladin. Except the Elves stole it and forced themselves upon Muuru.

@Dralkharn-draenor

and what this supposed to mean

Not sure what your knowledge is on Paladin before your engagement with this thread.

@Dralkharn-draenor

my brother in christ they were draining m’uru from it’s life force, like yeah of course it allowed them to do so but they weren’t praying or doing shamanistic rituals, they connected the tubes and pressed “extract”

I very much doubt you believe in Christ. It’s like in the West how many use Christ name in vain or as a swear word. But should not derail the thread.
Muuru did not allow them to do so. Muuru just could not stop what was done to him by the Blood Elves. Muuru was in their minds almost driving the Blood Knights (near) mad. Blood Elves are actually a very savage race.

@Warlóór-steamwheedle-cartel

Join us or die. Anyone not a member is the enemy. How bc are they any different from the crusade? Cos they’re fighting orcs who invaded Azeroth in another timeline? Because they’re horde and therefore evil?

There is much you are not paying attention to. An Orcish superpower is something that the Draenai suffer under. Not only where they facing unprovoked attacks with Orcs that they lived peacefully with. Not just murdered and enslaved but their very souls were consumed either to the shadow or to the fel.

So it makes sense. The “Never Again” stance. To ensure that no power like the Iron Horde can ever rise again. So through the “guidance” of the Light there can be Peaceful Coexistence once again. Orcs that embraced the Light was able to peacefully coexist alongside the Draenai of alternate Draenor.

Horde are not evil because they are Horde. They are evil because of their actions. Such as the first Horde came to Azeroth BECAUSE after destroying their own planet, They sacrificed the souls of Draenai including Draenai children to open / sustain the dark portal.
A lot of other examples that prove the Horde are the bad guys. Despite propagandists that argue otherwise.

There is zero guarantee. That without the “guidance” of the Light that the Orcs will not return to their Iron Horde roots. The old Orc Hellscream that led the Iron Horde itself still led the Orcish people.
The Alliance might not be there again to assist the Draenai from hostile Orcs whether or not they form something like the Iron Horde.

@Dralkharn-draenor

I get it, but blood knights weren’t devoted specifically to “light” from the start, they were devoted to their people and hunger for power, and their source of light magic was directly drawn from naaru,

Incorrect. Blood Elves are/were magic junkies. Nothing more. The Naaru called Muuru was simply a means for them to get their fix. If the Blood Elves could do to a pit Lord what they done to Muuru they will have done so. Muuru sufferend under the Blood Elves. Muuru died under the Blood Elves.
Liadrin tried to bring some measure of honour to the Blood Elves. However before what they done to Muuru. Blood Elves had Priests and some connection to the Light. Their Sunwell. Valeera Windrunner’s negative reaction to the Sunwell having became a Void Elf is proof

[Ayellin-kazzak (Ayellin)]

@Moltensage-turalyon

Horde are not evil because they are Horde. They are evil because of their actions. Such as the first Horde came to Azeroth BECAUSE after destroying their own planet, They sacrificed the souls of Draenai including Draenai children to open / sustain the dark portal.

That is 100% The Legions doing not the horde.
The first horde is not responsible of their actions as much as slaves are responsible for their actions.

It was the Night elves who made Sargares know about Azeroth it was the Night elves who made the whole building of the dark portal a thing in the first place.

Then we have that the first horde is NOT the same horde as we play at all.
If you are going to blame the horde for this then everything Arthas did is the alliance who has done.

@Moltensage-turalyon

Valeera Windrunner’s negative reaction to the Sunwell having became a Void Elf is proof

Proof of what? that Void is the inverse of Light?
And on the subject of Void elves they use the Void magic the same magic the Naruu is made from in their dark form.
The same thing Muuru became when there was no longer light.
Your whole proof here is based on what a magic addicted person did feel that one time when they where close to the Sunwell.

Also if the Sunwell is bad then Look at Night elves they use Moonwells as source of magic.

@Moltensage-turalyon

Muuru did not allow them to do so.

Lore wise you are wrong here while this was the case that it was first tapped from Muuru it changed to being given freely in the lore.

[Moltensage-turalyon (Moltensage)]

@Ayellin-kazzak

That is 100% The Legions doing not the horde.
The first horde is not responsible of their actions as much as slaves are responsible for their actions.

Incorrect. People are responsible for their choices. A good or bad choice is still a choice. Sargeras needed the Eradar as they are a very capable species to compliment the Burning Legion. Archimonde and Kiljhadden chose to follow willingly whilst Velen did not. As a species they were split because of their choices.

It was a choice of the first Horde to drink the blood of Mannaroth. Yes those choices had consequences. But they still made it. Even when coming to Azeroth some chose to drink the blood of Mannaroth for a 2nd time.
The first Horde destroyed their Draenor due to their choices having ignored the elements and embraced the Fel.

@Ayellin-kazzak

It was the Night elves who made Sargares know about Azeroth it was the Night elves who made the whole building of the dark portal a thing in the first place.

Incorrect. Some sided with Queen Azshara then became the Naga. Others did not. The actions of Azshara is not reflective of the Night Elves as a species.
Many Night Elves paid the price for opposing Azshara.

@Ayellin-kazzak

Then we have that the first horde is NOT the same horde as we play at all.
If you are going to blame the horde for this then everything Arthas did is the alliance who has done.

What the current Horde has become is also a reflection of their choices. The Horde despite all of their talks about “honour” they willingly engage in Necromancy more specifically forcing others into Undeath despite fighting Arthas the Lich King.

Voljin during the rebellion would warn Alliance that if not careful Sylvannas would force them into Undeath. Burning of Teldrassil. Sylvannas alone could not have done so, making Horde fully complicit.
Horde ignoring forcing Undeath on others as long as they became more Forsaken.
My overall point is that the existing Horde can not claim: that was just our past.
They are still very much the same Horde.

Arthas tried to destroy all of the living. So there was no Alliance under Arthas rule. Once he became the Lich King it was just the living and the dead the Scourge. Many Alliance and Horde dead became Scourge. No longer what they once was in live.
So it is silly to claim responsibility of the Alliance for the fallen Prince of Lordaeron.

@Ayellin-kazzak

Proof of what? that Void is the inverse of Light?
And on the subject of Void elves they use the Void magic the same magic the Naruu is made from in their dark form.
The same thing Muuru became when there was no longer light.
Your whole proof here is based on what a magic addicted person did feel that one time when they where close to the Sunwell.

Also if the Sunwell is bad then Look at Night elves they use Moonwells as source of magic.

If I remember correctly. Parts of the original Well Eternity became the Sunwell and other Wells.
Light and Void are ongoing enemies and can not coexist. Unlike the Maiden of Vigilance in the Tomb of Sargeras raid.
The the reaction to the Void was inevitable as the Sunwell is a font of Light based magical power.
Naaru are beings of Light and Shadow able to have and use this power even as part of their bodies. In a similar way that demons can have the Fel as part of their flesh and blood.

To the junkie the only thing that matters is getting their fix. Anything and everything in accomplishing that goal is permissible. So as long as it was magic to the Blood Elves it did not matter if it was Light any magic would do. So the Blood Elves fed on Muuru. Entropius was a lot more violent and tried to kill them. So naturally they could not continue to feed. However in death Prophet Velen purified/restored Muuru’s remains to “cleanse” their Sunwell.
Never claimed Sunwell was bad. But that it is a font of Light based magic. Even if it now has the remains of Muuru.
Arthas using it to ressurect Kelthuuzad corrupted it.

@Ayellin-kazzak

Lore wise you are wrong here while this was the case that it was first tapped from Muuru it changed to being given freely in the lore.

Hmmm perhaps there are retcons in the Lore. Muuru was resistant until his death by the Blood Elves.

There is potential to expand on the Lore such as the power sources of the Light. Especially if there are to be new Paladin. Having many races become Naaru powered Paladin feels like a cop out.

Odin’s forces are not fuelled by the Naaru - Neither are those of Bastion in Shadowlands, The Loa or wild gods seem to be more able to channel the primordial powers of creation.

[Ayellin-kazzak (Ayellin)]

@Moltensage-turalyon

A good or bad choice is still a choice.

@Moltensage-turalyon

It was a choice of the first Horde to drink the blood of Mannaroth

So you actually think that the Jews are responsible for the holocaust then because they went into the place willingly.
Slaves are responsible for themselves becoming slaves.
These are the things you are saying here.

@Moltensage-turalyon

The actions of Azshara is not reflective of the Night Elves as a species.

So when it is NIGHT Elves it does not reflect a MASSIVE group but when it is a Subset of Orcs it suddenly is the WHOLE group of orcs from any point in time.
What a bad idea you are talking about.

@Moltensage-turalyon

Many Night Elves paid the price for opposing Azshara.

So did Orcs but you do not want to talk about that because that would undermine what you believe.

@Moltensage-turalyon

The Horde despite all of their talks about “honour” they willingly engage in Necromancy more specifically forcing others into Undeath despite fighting Arthas the Lich King.

This is literally wrong.
If you mean the new undead they are willing necromancy magic not like what the scourge was doing.
But again IF you are going to blame the horde that is today for the actions of the LEGIOn you need to take responsibility for the actions of Arthas and the Scourge it was The Alliance who created Arthas it was the alliance who sent the expedition to get the sword.

@Moltensage-turalyon

So there was no Alliance under Arthas rule

So NOW SUDDENLY SEMANTICS matter. WHAt a load of CRAP LEARN some freaking lore.

You are just another alliance baby you know nothing of the lore and this comment you just made proved it to me how much of a baby you are.

[Moltensage-turalyon (Moltensage)]

@Ayellin-kazzak

So you actually think that the Jews are responsible for the holocaust then because they went into the place willingly.
Slaves are responsible for themselves becoming slaves.
These are the things you are saying here.

lol. are you serious? Surely you can not be serious. This went from 0 to 100 billion very quickly.
Factual statement: The 1941 WW2 Holocaust has nothing to do with the World of Warcraft. People are not even permitted to question the narrative / historical accounts anyway.

The Horde still made their choices. Can you blame it on ignorance when they CHOSE to drink the demon blood for a 2nd time?
The original timeline Grommash Hellscream chose to resist Mannaroth despite the demon blood in his veins.
Horde apologists will always make excuses for the Horde no matter what they do.

You are comparing Apples to Motorcycles. Queen Azshara done what Queen Azshara wanted. Drunk on her own power but she learned that there are other things more powerful than she is.
Only Saurfang opposed Sylvannas decision to burn Teldrassil. The Horde war machine marched there. The Forsaken on their own could not capture and burn Teldrassil. Even with most Night Elves army at Silithis.
The Horde can not blame it on their Warchief since a Warchief represents the Horde. Garrosh and Sylvannas are still Horde, despite civil wars and internal conflicts.

@Ayellin-kazzak

So did Orcs but you do not want to talk about that because that would undermine what you believe.

The Kor’kron was mostly an Orcish force. But has been democratised since the Horde has councils for just about everything now.

At the battle for Undercity. Sylvannas killed Alliance and Horde soldiers with plagues of the Forsaken then raised them into Undeath. (Similar to when the Forsaken launched plagues at the Wrathgate).
Only Saurfang opposed that choice, No one else even after the battle had ended.

@Ayellin-kazzak

This is literally wrong.
If you mean the new undead they are willing necromancy magic not like what the scourge was doing.
But again IF you are going to blame the horde that is today for the actions of the LEGIOn you need to take responsibility for the actions of Arthas and the Scourge it was The Alliance who created Arthas it was the alliance who sent the expedition to get the sword.

The Legion made us do it <==== Is not an excuse.
Where was the Legion when the Horde forced Derek Proudmoore into Undeath? Then tried to break him. Just like Arthas done so to Dranosh Saurfang.
Perhaps there was a Legion dreadlord whispering in their ears?

@Ayellin-kazzak

So NOW SUDDENLY SEMANTICS matter. WHAt a load of CRAP LEARN some freaking lore.

You are just another alliance baby you know nothing of the lore and this comment you just made proved it to me how much of a baby you are.

Ad hominems only prove that you are defeated and have nothing of value to add.
The Alliance does not have Undead. This is the Horde.
Alliance that were killed by the Scourge became the Scourge. Even if the Scourge use Alliance weapons to kill the living. The living survivors do not consider the Forsaken as the people of Lordaeron, They know that their kingdom is no more was ruined by Arthas and the Scourge.
The Last of the Menethil line Calia was murdered by Sylvannas. Source: Before the Storm book. So they are a lost people.

To bring the thread back to Paladin. When it comes to new races becoming Paladin where are the power sources supposed to come from? In the Legion expansion the order halls. Paladin of all races came together but they were still unique. Everybody become Naaru powered Paladin feels lazy writing.

[Balthy-frostmane]

Looks like pretty soon they will be selling unlocks for class /race combos

[Dralkharn-draenor]

@Moltensage-turalyon

Not headcannon but knowledge of World of Warcraft. The Orcs are a Shamanistic people. Their Priests as in Nerzhul never really embraced the Light

draenor orcs were integrated with draenei society and were good to go with each other at a start, it’s highly implied that’s why they can have priests, my point still stands and you didn’t disprove anything, you are just practicing demagougery for no reason

@Moltensage-turalyon

Yeah there is a Vulpera player just like you. That is smug thinking they know more lore and such. The Worgen curse is an off-shoot of the Pack Form. Which is a more savage and provingly uncontrollable form of Druidism. The Night Elves are a very savage people

so why worgen form was so different from bear or cat form? go on, read the wiki, maybe you’ll start to actually use arguments

@Moltensage-turalyon

ither way it is a unique curse.

humans, dwarfs, gnomes all are titanids under the effect of curse of the flesh, if they are cursed why they can still channel light?

@Moltensage-turalyon

The thread is about the expansion of Paladin. More specifically the creation of knew Paladin orders. However Paladin are/were unique. A reflection of their race. So knowledge of the different type of Paladin can be helpful.
The Blood Elves are not a “noble” race at all.

i don’t think you understand what nobility is

@Moltensage-turalyon

The Naaru are one power source for Paladin orders. Both the Draenai and the Blood Elves are Naaru powered Paladin. Except the Elves stole it and forced themselves upon Muuru.

it’s pretty much implied in the lore that humans were gifted knowledge of light by naaru, during the troll wars woman named Mereldar recieved visions of angelic being who bestowed upon her wisdom of doing yellow glowy magic.
FIGURES.
Belves are the only ones who literally directly tapped into naaru to have light powers, all others just have knowledge around it, draenei don’t need any direct access to naaru to know how to wield light

@Moltensage-turalyon

I very much doubt you believe in Christ.

You don’t know what figure of speech is, do you?

[Moltensage-turalyon (Moltensage)]

@Dralkharn-draenor

draenor orcs were integrated with draenei society and were good to go with each other at a start, it’s highly implied that’s why they can have priests, my point still stands and you didn’t disprove anything, you are just practicing demagougery for no reason

Embracing the Fel and harming the Draenai damaged the Orcs relationship with the elements. Thrall had to reconnect the Orcs with the elements afterwards. Repeating WoW history does not make one a demagogue.

They had spiritual leaders. Like Farseers and Shaman, But yes Nerzhuhl was a Priest. Shadowmoon are not necessarily a Light based Orcish clan.
The Light is something that in terms of Lore is foreign to Orcs. With current or alternate Draenor.

@Dralkharn-draenor

so why worgen form was so different from bear or cat form? go on, read the wiki, maybe you’ll start to actually use arguments

You do sound more and more like that Vulpera player. Anyway. Do your own research into the Pack Form. Then come back and discuss or whatever.

@Dralkharn-draenor

humans, dwarfs, gnomes all are titanids under the effect of curse of the flesh, if they are cursed why they can still channel light?

Finally an interesting question. Flesh is considered as a “curse” by some. However one should remember that the WoW creation story is an explosion of the Light and the Void. Meaning that the Void is also one aspect of creation. So in order to subvert the Titans their creation was made flesh. A new creation? no but altering its former existence from stone form and what Titans created to something else. So this why the Titans plans and will can be subverted.

Some trying to undo this and return to a non flesh based form.

@Dralkharn-draenor

it’s pretty much implied in the lore that humans were gifted knowledge of light by naaru, during the troll wars woman named Mereldar recieved visions of angelic being who bestowed upon her wisdom of doing yellow glowy magic.
FIGURES.
Belves are the only ones who literally directly tapped into naaru to have light powers, all others just have knowledge around it, draenei don’t need any direct access to naaru to know how to wield light

Yes there seems to be some retcon of WoW lore. Trying to insert Naaru so implying that Humans and Dwarves are also Naaru powered Paladin.

What are you talking about? The Draenai are the Prophet Velen faction. Their escape was powered by Naaru. The Naaru saved them time and time again. Fleeing their current planet to somewhere else when the Burning Legion caught up to them.

Draenai tapped into the Naaru Light powers for quite some time now. They have always been powered by the Naaru.

@Dralkharn-draenor

You don’t know what figure of speech is, do you?

If you made a figure of speech concerning the Islamic prophet Mohammed. Do you see how you might come across to others? Regardless if you subscribe or not to whatever beliefs.

You seem to be a pointlessly adversarial person on the forums. Choosing to attack the person and not address points made concerning discussions of the WORLD of Warcraft the lore the races its settings.

[Dralkharn-draenor]

@Moltensage-turalyon

Embracing the Fel and harming the Draenai damaged the Orcs relationship with the elements. Thrall had to reconnect the Orcs with the elements afterwards. Repeating WoW history does not make one a demagogue.

I’m talking about alt draenei orcs, mag’har

@Moltensage-turalyon

You do sound more and more like that Vulpera player. Anyway. Do your own research into the Pack Form. Then come back and discuss or whatever

Better you’ll search what druid in warcraft is…

@Moltensage-turalyon

Finally an interesting question. Flesh is considered as a “curse” by some.

Being able to turn into werewolf without any drawbacks is considered as a “curse” by some.

@Moltensage-turalyon

However one should remember that the WoW creation story is an explosion of the Light and the Void. Meaning that the Void is also one aspect of creation. So in order to subvert the Titans their creation was made flesh. A new creation? no but altering its former existence from stone form and what Titans created to something else. So this why the Titans plans and will can be subverted.

Mghm hm, okay.
So? Why exactly worgens are cursed? Is there any drawback to it?.

@Moltensage-turalyon

What are you talking about? The Draenai are the Prophet Velen faction. Their escape was powered by Naaru. The Naaru saved them time and time again. Fleeing their current planet to somewhere else when the Burning Legion caught up to them.

I wasn’t speaking anything against it?

@Moltensage-turalyon

If you made a figure of speech concerning the Islamic prophet Mohammed

Mohammed my balls

[Sanguìnius-draenor]

swtor did that ages ago but is reliant to sub or not (they have a freeware version). isnt the best thing but its somethin.

[Barbarus-auchindoun]

Paladins must stay special and also the lightforged dranei mustnt choose warlock or shadow priest and besides holy priests…The races who is with darkness mustnt choose the holy classes. Blizzard ruined everything

[Feledis-the-shatar]

Gnome Paladin and Goblin Paladin plz !

[Moltensage-turalyon (Moltensage)]

To those unfamiliar with the Pack on Youtube Krucial done a video that explains it and the origins of the Worgen. Gilneans are not the first Worgen.
If Worgen were a candidate for Paladin. Then the Light will come in conflict with the curse of the Worgen. That has roots in powerful Druidic magic.

Since Undeath does not just effect the body but the very soul. They are body and soul forever effected by the Pack Form. Even then they are constantly having to balance the fury and such within them at every second of the day. The demigod Goldrinn could not control his own rage and was punished by Elune if I remember correctly. There are still many Feral Worgen in Duskwood. Perhaps with the reclaiming of Gilneas they can be found and rehabilitated.

[Moltensage-turalyon (Moltensage)]

@Dralkharn-draenor

I’m talking about alt draenei orcs, mag’har

Okay then. Alternate Draenor Orcs still had a connection to the elements to the spirits. So they never lost this connection since choosing to embrace the fell is one of the reasons why they lost this. But in BlackRock Foundry you still see Iron Horde Shaman at work.

@Dralkharn-draenor

Better you’ll search what druid in warcraft is…

Tried to upload the video that would explain it. But couldn’t for some reason.

@Dralkharn-draenor

Being able to turn into werewolf without any drawbacks is considered as a “curse” by some.

You are arguing for the sake of arguing. Never said that Worgen was not a curse. Many see it as such. Even the animation of Worgen transformation it is like the beast within takes over the human host.
Night Elves now they are responsible for this so have helped the Gilneans and others from being infected and afflicted by the curse of the Worgen. But for whatever reasons we have not seen Night Elf Worgen in game so far.

@Dralkharn-draenor

Mghm hm, okay.
So? Why exactly worgens are cursed? Is there any drawback to it?.

That goes into the pack form and the dark side of Druidism. The Drust has shown that there is a Dark Side of Druidism as it seems to be both powers of life and death.
But the wild gods are more deeply connected to Druidism than others. Probably an equivalent but different entities to the Loa of the Trolls.

@Dralkharn-draenor

I wasn’t speaking anything against it?

Yet you made a false claim here

@Dralkharn-draenor

Belves are the only ones who literally directly tapped into naaru to have light powers, all others just have knowledge around it, draenei don’t need any direct access to naaru to know how to wield light

@Dralkharn-draenor

@Moltensage-turalyon

If you made a figure of speech concerning the Islamic prophet Mohammed

Mohammed my balls

It comes across as arrogance. World of Warcraft has players from all over the world many different demographics and sensibilities. So assuming that everyone else shares your sensibilities is a bit silly but oh well.

@Barbarus-auchindoun

Paladins must stay special and also the lightforged dranei mustnt choose warlock or shadow priest and besides holy priests…The races who is with darkness mustnt choose the holy classes. Blizzard ruined everything

This is the thing. Either Blizzard story writers destroy established Lore or Retcon everything.
What set the Draenai apart was that they chose to REJECT the Fel and the Burning Legion. Draenai and Lightforged Draenai have suffered greatly under the Burning Legion and their souls have literally been used as fuel for the Fel.

But here we are. Draenai Warlocks and Lightforged Draenai Warlocks exist. Still not making any sense.
What next? Void Elf Paladin? Thought the Void and Light can not coexist? Always in conflict with each other. Will Blizzard have to retcon and undo their own lore? Such as the bad reaction that Alleria Windrunner had as a Void Elf when she visited the Sunwell.

Their All races can be All Classes is an ambitious project.
If you play an Alliance Paladin and choose Necrolords. You are disguised as Forsaken. The disguise still feels wrong. Undead using the powers of a Paladin.

[Röcc-draenor]

Void wings would be sick tbh

[Röcc-draenor]

@Dralkharn-draenor

my brother in christ they were draining m’uru from it’s life force

@Moltensage-turalyon

I very much doubt you believe in Christ

My brother in christ is a meme, keep up with meme-culture or touch grass

[Moltensage-turalyon (Moltensage)]

@Röcc-draenor

My brother in christ is a meme, keep up with meme-culture or touch grass

You should log off the internet every now and then. There is a wide world outside of meme factories

[Dralkharn-draenor]

@Moltensage-turalyon

Okay then. Alternate Draenor Orcs still had a connection to the elements to the spirits. So they never lost this connection since choosing to embrace the fell is one of the reasons why they lost this. But in BlackRock Foundry you still see Iron Horde Shaman at work.

And how exactly them having connection to the spirits holds the from having light priests?

@Moltensage-turalyon

That goes into the pack form and the dark side of Druidism. The Drust has shown that there is a Dark Side of Druidism as it seems to be both powers of life and death.
But the wild gods are more deeply connected to Druidism than others. Probably an equivalent but different entities to the Loa of the Trolls.

Okay, I’ll try to explain something on the internet.
It’s a common knowledge that druids are shapeshifting by communing with spirits of power: loa, wild gods etc, so our standard vanilla druids are shapeshifting into forms connected to the wild gods known as Ursoc, Ashamane, Moonkin that are somehow connected to Elune, and i guess Resto being just emerald dream mages.

Pack form was a product of communal with goldrinn - wolf wild god, but it didn’t worked out because his spirit is too ferocious and those druids who attempted to shapeshift into wolf were simply starting go Bonkers and even forgetting how to shift back.

Worgens are attempt by druids to control this form via Scythe of Elune, backfired very badly as we’ve seen in vanilla quests and worgen starting location.

As you can see, there are no old gods, demons, or domination magic involved, just plain old mistakes and attempts to control uncontrollable, nothing to smite for light fanatics, especially after in Worgen questline solution is finally found.
Unless Naaru really don’t like furries.

[anon8732333]

I apologize if this thread stirred any unintended debate. I was simply curious if there’s official information about additional races becoming paladins in the next expansion. We all recognize Blizzard’s creative freedom, and they have the right to make changes, even if it challenges the lore.
They created the game, the lore, everything …so if they really wanted to, they could just say everyone can be anything.

Anyway…
Thank you all for participating in this discussion. Regardless of the outcome, let’s continue to enjoy the game.
Have a great day!

[Moltensage-turalyon (Moltensage)]

@anon8732333

I apologize if this thread stirred any unintended debate. I was simply curious if there’s official information about additional races becoming paladins in the next expansion. We all recognize Blizzard’s creative freedom, and they have the right to make changes, even if it challenges the lore.

It is best for people to be able to have conversions. Rumour has it that Blizzard Devs browse the forums.
What makes a person a fan is that they are invested. Not just financial investment in having WoW accounts. But learning the Lore - Faction Pride - Cosplayers that go out of their way to bring the characters to life and so on.

This seems like a copout.
Reason being is take for example Warhammer 40K franchise started in the late 1980s. A tabletop gaming that has expanded to books - games - even recently FAN CREATED content such as the Amazing “Death of Hope”.

However recently activists better known as WOKEhammer have been trying to push for Female Space Marines. While GamesWorkshop are the ones that created and own Warhammer Franchise and Intellectual Property. If they change this then it will undo over 30 years of established lore - history and more.
It has been long established that females can not be Space Marines.

Some times “the new normal” does not make sense since it can undo or damage things that were established before. Like in Disney Star Wars movie the Last Jedi that scene where Leia Organa flies like Superman through space.
To clarify. Just because people CAN do something does not mean that what they do will not damage the IP or established universe. Force Users can not fly.

If everyone is special then nobody is special. Paladin and Shaman were the “special” classes. But almost all Horde races could be Shaman whilst not that many races are Paladin.
Yes there are different power sources of the Light thus there can be different disciplines or “orders” of Paladin. But classes are a reflection if you will of the different races. The Alliance did not really have a connection with the elements so the Dwarves and Draenai were needed. The Horde does not necessarily follow or have a connection with the Light so they only had the Tauren and Blood Elves as Paladin, the Zandalari Trolls are connected or devoted to the Loa and not necessarily the Light istelf.

Goblins make deals that very much favour Goblins in Cataclysm there was a Goblin Shaman that screwed over an elemental in a quest chain. They are very successful and proof of this is that Gallywix the Trade Prince of the Bilgewater Cartel single handily funded the Horde war effort in Battle for Azeroth.
Yet the greed of the Goblins is no way close to devotion or dedication. Making everyone else Naaru powered is frankly lazy. So other sources of the Light will have to be explored. Gnomes have always depended on their intellect to survive in Azeroth and beyond. So Gnome Paladin would mean that they are dependent on something other than Gnomish intellect and ingenuity. There are probably some dumb Gnomes out there but even a dumb Gnome can be much smarter than the other races.

Similar to how Disney mishandled Star Wars by having Leia fly like Superman through space. Whoever is in the Blizzard writing team can mishandle the story and lore so far. Shadowlands expansion is evidence of this, Like the Sylvannas redemption attempt almost entirely undone Sylvannas as a character by removing agency from her, for every choice that she made.

The Kul Tiran’s had Paladin under Lord Admiral Daelin Proudmoore. With his death they might have lost their “conviction” then found alternative sources of power such as the Tidesages. The surviving humans of Lordaeron that escaped Arthas and the Scourge. Fled to Stormwind - Kul Tiras and beyond. So having Lordaereon Paladin live among them could remind the Kul Tirans once again what they lost.

How will say Forsaken Paladin work? The failed resurrection that is Calia Menethil can somehow spawn Lightbound Forsaken Undead Paladin?
Will they retcon the Light in WoW lore now? It no longer harms them and views all Undeath as abominations to be purged?
If they Last Jedi their own lore this would be a problem for World of Warcraft.

To bring it back to fans. Fans are invested. To different levels. Buying the merch - reading the novels and books - learning the lore and more.
So it is possible to lose fans if you run WoW into the ground. Many people don’t care about the Lore, But many people the Lore and story they very much care about. Especially since it is about the WORLD of Warcraft.