New races warlocks RP

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I’m quite a new in RP and I got upset about opening the warlock class to all, but mostly coped with it (except LFDs) and recently I do feel to give the it a try, and ofc I want to make it right. So here is what I think of how each new race should be treated, if wrong, feel free to correct me. The warlock class is simply not quite “good” even when they fight for us, and warlocks aren’t much of a ppl to hang out with. The old races with it however at least tolerate them if they arent open about it and use Fel only against their enemies, and in some cases like Forsaken it is even alright. Even with Legion and such where they did helped, the average Joe just wasn’t there so he doesn’t care. That’s only for the elites. The new races weren’t Locks due to their 0 tolerance of Fel and that’s how I think it should be treated.

Night Elf - basically 0 tolerance. Fel magic is outlawed, and there are many veterans, including Tyrande and Malfurion who fought in the War of the Ancients. So as Warlock, you are basically banished and you shouldn’t even enter your ancestral lands if you want to keep your head on neck. Unless you are Highborne, those are powerhungry and would have similar mentality to belfs and more accepting.

Zandalari - similar to NE. Fel is outlawed and it’s users culled if I am correct. So same fate would meet you if you would be cought there.

Tauren - probably will not kill you but either imprison or keep out by force.

Highmountain Tauren - since they are descendants of Huln Highmountain and his followers, they are generally even less tolerant than normal Tauren. The Feltotem tribe was culled. You can be someone who survived, realized Legion sucks, but want to use Fel now against it. But roaming Highmountain prolly wouldn’t be save for you.

Pandaren - also probably not kill you, but if you have some respect to your home, you will stay out anyway due to the Sha’s and such, if not, natives will prolly forcefuly help you with it.

Mag’har orc - your clan is based on rejecting such stuff so you are basically kicked out of the clan, you might even have some wanting to kill you for that.

Kultiran - Here I am not sure much, Kultirans are basically humans and no idea if the kingdom outlaws the magic, since it’s a new thing however, you might just want to finish your bussiness there and depart back to Stormwind which is somewhat safer for you, if you are closed about your warlockery.

Draenei - This race is my focus so I think I can portray this best. Draenei’s entire point of existence is rejecting Sargeras’s gift, they call those who embraced it insultingly Man’ari. They see Fel (Void and necromancy too) as unnatural evil abomination. As warlock, they will consider you as Man’ari. Stay out of their lands. (Seems like it’s a thing for most of them I guess.) Yes, you can also be the demonic Man’ari, however then you are enemy of the entire world which is even more restrictive (or for ERPers) so you can’t just freely walk nor even in Undercity.

Lightforged - I do have problem to accept this, mostly due to the trials they undergo, where they face their own flaws and even their soul is tested. I really don’t think that anyone who have conquered themselves would start using destructive magic which makes life to wither, influence ones personality and couses mutations. In the recruitment questline which is the trial, the guy even rejected the “fight fire with fire” mentality. However I have seen ppl interpet the trials differently. That they are more individual than just facing your flaws, or that they are just about your faith in the Light. The new warlock questline didn’t helped at all as Blizzard just thrown the guy in without explanation nor retcon, nothing. However, It seems like it’s fine for whatever reason and I guess that Oman guy’s philosophy is the way to go here. He doesn’t reject the Light, he still have faith in it, he just realizes that it is not all poweful and it needs help. The Light is still his goal. At least that’s how I understood it.

Ofc I don’t want to force ppl into something, this is what I think about Warlock RP on the new races and how I would do it.
So, what do you guys think about it? As I said, it’s more like asking a question as I am interested in trying and want to do it right. Thanks.

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I don’t think you’d be imprisoned instantly or kept out, otherwise that can be extended to the Death Knights under the same umbrella of their existence/magic not being good.

Probably frowned upon and not treated very nicely, seen as an outcast, sure.

Imho warlocks for all races CAN work if it’s explained well, that task falls to us RPers since Blizz is unlikely to give us more than a few lines of flavour for each race.

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Death Knights fall under the banner of a faction who’ve gotten a free pass. Warlocks are just individuals though.

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I don’t think that would stop the more determined people wanting to oust them from the land, faction or not.

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It does extend to Death Knights too. I recently started to RP one myself and the perception isn’t much different. People don’t like DKs either. It’s even the point of my 2 characters as my paladin and DK are sisters (Draenei) and the paladin considers the DK as evil abomination who stole her sister’s body and name. The goal for the character is to accept her.

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Sure. Everything you listed is absolutely no different from Vulpera, Nightborne, OG Orc, Human, Dwarf, Gnome, Blood Elf, Worgen and Forsaken warlocks. All of them at one or more points of their history suffered from Fel or the Legion, whether it was destruction, suffering or enslavement. There is no culture among the playable races that actively embrace or endcourage the existence of warlocks. The best we got is some vague tolerance. It’s the reason almost every hub or class representation is in catacombs, basements, eldritch ritual sites or some hovel in the middle of the woods.

Almost all the new races, ie Tauren, Highmountain Tauren, Maghar Orcs, Draenei, Pandaren, Zandalari Trolls etc. are the exact same as the races I’ve listed before. Warlocks are never the norm of their given society. They are the outcasts and exiles that choose to play with Felfire and all the consequences that come from that, thanks to the fact our races and factions are not collective hiveminds that can’t produce malcontents (see the Twilight Hammer and Primalists for relevance as they seem to recruit every race under the sun and are ultimately suicidal fanatic cults and doomseekers).

The only odd one out I’ll agree on are Lightforged Draenei but they have been on a journey of corrupted lower standards anyway ever since Legion, bring demoted from space marines to Draenei with Light tattoos.

Roll whatever race you want, it’s all the same when it comes to acceptance and what kind of RP you can find.

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I get it, it just seems to me like the old races have this vague tolerance while the new one dont have even that and so the character should avoid their lands at all if they want to keep head on their neck. Yes you can be in hiding there, but while in Stormwind you will get somewhat a pass of you don’t start summoning imps in the streets, in Exodar if someone discovers that you are lock of their own race, even when you tried to not be eposed (it can happen) and wasn’t open about it at all, you will be treated much harshly. Race lore matters to me.

The problem here is that I feel like opening everything for everyone reduces the races to just fancy looking humans and the classes to some normal proffesions anyone can do and makes the game boring therefore.

They aren’t being currupted, they are incorruptable. Blizzard is just being Blizzard again here. My problem is that Blizzard is just silent about it and just thrown it in. If something is retconed here, pls tell me so I know what to do when choosing to RP this or at least see it out in the world. (and yes, it is just fan service).

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Where is this notion coming from that they can’t be corrupted or that doing the Lightforged ritual makes them unable to be warlocks? At this point in the lore we know fully well that Demons and Undead can wield the Light, or that completely insane mortals can wield it too, so why wouldn’t some Lightforged Draenei, over the course of their stay on Azeroth, wouldn’t get the idea that he or she can use the Fel and believe it’s righteous?

Edit: @Moridunum also posted some of these new race+class combo NPCs about a month ago: PTR Spoiler/Discussion Thread (Part 2) - #2224 by Moridunum-argent-dawn

Not sure how many of them actually made it on Live, but the Kul Tiran duo are in-game in Old Town Barracks and the Slaughtered Lamb respectively.
Edit#2: Checked in Orgrimmar and Stormwind, most of them did actually.

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As I said, fighting fire with fire was rejected in the trials. Warlock is basically fighting fire with fire. However the trials seems to be interpreted differently by different ppl and i will submit to general consensus if Blizzard will not put more light into it.

Undead yes, it just hurts them so much they just prefet to not, but demons? Where did you find that? Haven’t seen it.

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I don´t think there´s any difference between human who comes from a society that worships the Light or orc whose entire race has been enslaved by demons and warlocks, and other races when it comes to how accepting they would be to warlocks.
It´s just that these races had warlocks since Vanilla, which means people are more accepting of them, even if they make just as little sense as the races which are getting warlocks now.

The only issues for me are Lightforged (because it´s just dumb), and Mag´har (because orc + Fel = green/green-black orc, sooner or later its influence will be enough to turn an orc into Mountain Dew orc), but other than that, I don´t see any reason why draenei or night elf would be less willing to renounce everything their people stand for in pursuit of power than a human.

And when it comes to the rest accepting them: Why should they know? There aren´t some magical sentries at every corner of every town on Azeroth that detect warlocks, as long as they mask who they are (for example by not summoning demons or doing dark spells in the towns), there isn´t an issue with warlocks of these races entering their settlements.

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That’s great, I also don’t see any note that says “And henceforth you can’t be a warlock any more.” There is no clause or lore on what happens to Lightforged Draenei after the ritual has been done, such as a decade later. Do they lose their Lightforged juices if they stray from the path they were set on? Clearly not, since Lightforged Draenei Death Knights still retain their appearance sans the eyes.

https://www.wowhead.com/npc=24560/priestess-delrissa

She’s also the one who patched up Kael’thas after we brutalized him in Tempest Keep by healing him and then ramming a fel crystal in his chest.

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They change skin color by drinking demon blood (and seemingly even that changes based on which Pitlord they decide to feast on), not necessarily by being a warlock. You get to varying degrees of Fel corruption over time but the skin color change is more related to the Orcish tendency of chugging down demon blood after being offered to them by a shady warlock.

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They change skin color by both methods. Frostwolves and Orgrim Doomhammer never drank the blood, but their skin was changed nonetheless by exposure to Fel on Draenor. Their brown skin started peeling, and underneath there was green skin.

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You can argue that not all warlocks use fel.
Someone take fire from the Firelands, or stick to shadow.

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Which is the problem. We don’t know. I want to know since this is a thing now. Not exactly allowing it, I’m more upset about Blizzard just throwing it in and saying nothing then allowing it.

Well, ye, they got changed when they became LF, but they are just basic Draenei at this point, The Light left them when they died I guess, they do have the explosion racial. But the Light should save their soul but seems like if you can take soul from Shadowlands, you can take it from the Light (Or the Light just make sure the soul gets to SL).

I guess I missed this one, I wan’t here in TBC and it’s just a one shot mob for tmogs. Thanks for the insight. This kinda helped actually as I was pondering about the Light infusion and Fel usage since they are quite enemies even when not opposites. But since demon can just use it, and this is even old lore from TBC, it’s fine I guess.

I think this can be simply said as the warlock is fresh, or not deep in it.

Well, I think this you can do with Fire Mage and Spriest too.

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Destro Lock is just a spicier Fire Mage with demons (And possibly shadow magic depending on the Lock), change my mind.

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I stand corrected, but that’s still not them being warlocks. You seem to become very different if you stick around on a Fel-ravaged planet, but I’d put that in a different category from what I described.

In the meantime I did a little world tour and our new Warlock NPCs are indeed present on Live!
https://imgur.com/a/hjBg2tg
In order:

Thunder Bluff

  • Se’tah’s chilling in the Pools of Vision
  • Tihkan is on the Elder Rise hanging out in a tent

Orgrimmar

  • Grimroz is in the Cleft of Shadows
  • Lai De Emberscoll is right next to the Warlock trainer in the Barracks

Stormwind City

  • Lorraine Darktide is among the Slaughtered Lamb’s finest in the basement
  • Jaxxos Widdowson is in the Old Town Barracks

The Zandalari and Tushui warlocks are MIA, but I’m sure they can be found by some savant. The Draenei/Broken one I haven’t checked yet and I’m unaware where the Night Elf one might be hanging out if there is one.

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Probably, but Lightforge using Shadow? they are definitely contradicting. As far as I know Turalyon almost exploded when trying to touch Alleria. But I also heard it has been retconed (screw this mess)

The broken guy in Exodar is there, I just checked recently.

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He is stuffed in a corner in the Exodar mines.

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Ah, found the Tushui and Zandalari.

Haoqi is standing next to the Stormwind Embassy, while Skodu and Awakaya are in the Valley of Spirits hanging out in the open with other troll warlocks.

https://imgur.com/a/EfwmtMF

Clearly at least one of them decided to use demons and Fel as fodder instead of seeing his own kin taking a hit, along with whatever the player characters are up to.