Yeah, that instantly gave me a sinking feeling. I’m looking forward to all the good stuff coming our way but as somebody that enjoys delves, I was quite excited for a new follower and that one really stunk when I heard it.
No.
https://wowwiki-archive.fandom.com/wiki/Casual
Its defined by amount of played hours.
Not necessary to discuss what blizzard has already said:
Il quote the part where they say for WHO its intended:
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Bring Your Friends or Go Solo
Along with your NPC companion, Delves can be explored solo or with a group of up to five, with any combination of classes. And, since they take 10-15 minutes on average to complete, they’re ideal for players who want to experience a meaningful game progression without significant time commitments.
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You CAN play it solo. OR in a group. But the KEY phrase is what comes after that:
" meaningful game progression without significant time commitments "
Put the comment above about “casuals” and the literal quote from blizzard themselves together and you get to :
“Delves were made for Cusals.”
And this is not my opinion. Nor am I discussing the “philosophy of solo vs group play”. Im just literally posting what is written by blizzard themselves. Nothing more.
And with that said, if blizzard does content that does not require “significant time comitments” and you invest “significant time” then you get to my original post:
But what is the time limit? They give 20 hours a week as a definition. So if you raid mythic 2 days a week for 7 hours you are by that definition a “casual gamer”… That’s a bit farfetched if you ask me.
Do you, yourself play more than 20 hours a week? Roughly 3 hours a day?
PROGRESS and COMMITMENT is the key words… You CAN play 7 hours a day RP and still do progress.
Having to push high keys and raiding, do in a lot of cases require high time COMMITMENT, whereas Delves, can be 19 hours of solo play when YOU want to, aka no commitment.
You made Delves to be catered to casual players, which was not the intention.
It was intentioned to give SOLO players a way of progressing without the time investment. Just like you can play 2 hours a day in M+ and progress… Just like you can raid 2 hours a day and progress… Is raids and M+ also made for casual players?
Is PVP for casual players?
Why are you arguing with me? Argue with blizzard. Its WRITTEN. I literally said I just repeat what blizzard said:
They made content that does not require “significant time commitments”.
But some of you ARE punting “significant time” to Delves. And you run out of content to do.
Why are you guys surprised then ? That is the only thing I said.
No, you take what is written and define it as “casual content”.
And you seemingly jumped over:
Do you need a time limit? Maybe a casual is someone that plays 10h. Or 20h. Or 2h. Dosent matter.
Casual is STILL defined by “amount of hours played”. Not WHAT you play.
And its the lower end of a spectrum of “ammount of time played”. Casuals are on the lower end. Hard cores are on the upper end.
And the post about Delves by blizzard CLEARLY states that Delves are intended for players in the lower-end of that spectrum.
Like… why are you even arguing about this ? 
it does when its defined from YOUR source. Because your source also says:
" Casual is generally a term for players who play occasionally"
Key word being “Generally” so if you use that and claim they define it, you also have to accept their given time frame. 20 hours a week.
Not really. it says you can progress without the biggest time commitment. Same can be said about every aspect of the game 
well, I just corrected you, saying Delves was intended for solo players, and not casual players.
You then went on about definitions… So wouldn’t really call me arguing
There are two new delves added to the D.R.I.V.E.N Patch
And will likely have more in Midnight.
Whatever you say …
I cannot state the obvious any more that what it is. But you do you ok ?
PS: i am Uda. I dont know what is up with the forums on my phone…
Well, clearly it isn’t obvious when you don’t find your own source relevant in some aspects of the definiton
But hey, again. I just wanted to correct your wrong interpretation. Thats all.
I personally don’t really mind, since I like Brann fine.
But, it would have been fun to get a horde themed companion.
Ultimately I think it would have been interesting to have a small selection of different companions that we can pick our favourite from in future seasons. But delves are still new, so we’ll see where it goes.
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Makes sense since there wont be any new zones either.
They updated the roadmap to include ‘new zone’.
There are new delves in 11.1 and horrific visions after that, I guess that’s their entire budget for non m+ related activities spent.
Well, I damn sure hope not.
Never in a million years would I want a horrific vision in place of a delve.
Never ever ever.
This is what YOU said:
This is what Blizard said :
" Delves can be explored solo or with a group of up to five, with any combination of classes. And, since they take 10-15 minutes on average to complete, they’re ideal for players who want to experience a meaningful game progression without significant time commitments. "
Those 2 statements are not the same thing. You say Delves are for Solo Players, ONLY. Blizard sais Delves are for people (solo or in a group) that play for few hours.
So keep saying you “debunked” my arguments. You havent.
I have not even said any arguments. Or opinon in the matter. I have just said that what YOU say is not what Blizzard sais. Simple as that.
And if you got a problem, or dont agree (with Blizzard, im just the messanger) then be my guest. But no amount of “arguments” by your side can change the literal wording of an official post from blizzard.
This is in contrast to the Mage Tower for example. That was directed specifically for Solo Play. Within the blizz post there are clear, unambiguious quotes like:
- " Will ask you to take care of a little unfinished business via a solo encounter…"
- " provide players with the opportunity to show their mastery of their class with a solo skill challenge"
- ect…
THAT is content made specifically for Solo Players. It is clearly said by blizzard that it is.
But Delves is NOT one of those contents. (Said by blizzard, not by me).
I prefer the Oxford Dictionary for casual. Relaxed and unconcerned. I can be a casual bum playing 4 hours a night and still not reach anything considered significant 
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THIS is what you said…
This is what you followed up with.
You keep saying you’re “saying what Blizzad said” but you aren’t… You’re calling it a mode for “casual players (players that don’t play much)” which is not what Blizzard states
YOUR definition states below 20 hours… So either stick with it, or accept that “casual” can’t be defined in hours played, meaning your whole “Casual players (that don’t play much)” is not the same as “progression without significant time commitment” is not the same.
You are literally clinging to a detail that dosent matter to somehow try to be right. You are not.
This is what you said. How much is “a lot” ? More than 20h? Less than 50h per week? WHO CARES. The exact number is irrelevant.
What is FALSE from your statement is “a lot”. That is FALSE. A casual by definition plays FEW hours. 20? 10? 50? DOSENT MATTER. You can be a Casual Mythic Raider and a Hard-Core Solo Player. Both are true.
And if you dont agree, just google “casual player” and see what you get. 100% of the pages DEFINE casual as a person that plays FEW hours (but give different numbers). Not “A LOT” like you claim.
But even IF you still cling to this 20h/week irrelevant number. It still changes nothing because that is not ONLY what I said. And its not THE important thing. I said that the exact amount of hours a casual plays is irrelevant. All that matters is that is “FEW”.
What matters is that Blizzard said Delves are for people with “few” hours. And a Casual is a category of player defined by playing “few” hours. Therefore: Delves are for Casuals. How much is “few”? Is that less than 20? Less than 10? WHO CARES.
That is LITERALLY what Blizzard said.
What matters is that its NOT exclusively for solo players. That is what matters, and no matter how much you insist on this <20h per week it will change NOTHING.
And my original post:
Is literally saying:
If you play a LOT (Hard-Core level) of hours on a gamemode DESIGNED for people with LITTLE hours… why are you people surprised that you finish the content quickly…
In other words. If you are a Hard Core Solo player (or group player), Delves are not the thing for you. If you are a Casual Solo Player (or group player) Delves ARE for you.
THAT is what I said.