No WoW 2 for a while yet

I believe they let the game slowly fall, see how riot MMO, ashes of creation and some others do. And then they will make a wow 2 to steal the disappointed and lure the original fans back

i’m a firm believer that a WoW2 would be dead on arrival and possibly end wow as we know it. I can’t see them spending the time to HD redo everyone’s collectibles so it’d be a fresh start while wow1 gets put into maintenance mode. wow isn’t that good at retaining new players and most newcomers quit within a month and never look back, the only reason a lot of people still play is because of the 10s of thousands of hours they’ve already put into their accounts, remove that and people will nope out immediately.

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I think the need for a more modern game becomes more pressing as time goes.
The world of Warcraft has some limitations and shortcomings by virtue of being made decades ago.
That is perhaps not so big an issue to current WoW players who are happy inside their own little bubble, and who don’t see how Azeroth stacks up to other games’ open worlds in 2024 – or how it doesn’t stack up.
But as World of Warcraft inevitably continues to bleed players ever so slowly, the age of the game also greatly limits its potential to draw in new players.
So at some point there’ll be a pressing need to either reboot the game through a major overhaul, or to simply make another game entirely.

That of course assumes that Blizzard wants more Warcraft beyond World of Warcraft. It is entirely possible that World of Warcraft is the end station for Warcraft and that Blizzard will just continue with more expansions and patches until hell freezes over.

But if Warcraft is meant to have any kind of relevance as a major gaming IP in the next decades to come, it’ll need a new flagship game.

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Its pretty obvious their wont be a reboot anytime soon when they announced 3 expansions in 1 go, if their is gonna be a reboot its gonna be after those expansions so in 5-6 more years will probably hear about it if so.

The engine being the worst, just huge amount performance problems since dragonflight after something they did. The amount stutter people have on top end and mid tier builds in this game is not right. My mage gains few dozen of procs in pvp since dragonflight now and it makes 1sec lag spike everytime one of those gazillion procs from both spec and class talents and now from hero talents aswell overlap in blitz or the like, its very clunky and hurts the gameplay to witness those spikes incur and all cause the engine and coding in general. And ppl write that their fps crashes in m+ when there is multiple frozen orbs rolling on big pull too so, just terrible how bad the game runs :dracthyr_shrug:

My game (and i imagine many other ppl experience that) lagging every time there’s significantly more people.
Hell my pc starts making train noices even when i race or fly somewhere lol. When i race, i have to lower my details to minimum so my pc won’t cook.

I’m pretty sure many people have wooden pc just like me.

And i’m sure Blizzard knows that. That’s why no WoW 2. Nobody would be playing it. Or nobody would afford to play it.

You could have 4000$ pc and have stutter or fps drops in this game since dragonflight, its not ppl having bad pc type issue rest assured :slight_smile:

Theres enough to be found for it from internet if one wishes to do detailed search and look more into it and dont want to take my word on it. You will find dozen top end builds having the similar issues what low and mid tier builds have so it tells me its not the hardware that makes much difference to this if the engine is not utilizing cores effectively or there is some bugs in code in general like there seem to be in engine that affect interaction with addons what I read month ago from article in wowhead and twitter which I dont know if is fixed yet.

All in all its cool we will have wow for long time but I also wish they would do more to optimize the game better or fixing these issues and hope its something that is even fixable unless the ages old engine is causing limitations that would prevent it, I dont know. I just want to play video game without stutter and lag spikes :dracthyr_shrug:

I’d say WoW has three major issues where the only solution is a new game.

Available platforms is one. For a premium juggernaut title in 2024, only being available on PC though the battle.net client is such a ball and chain on the game’s success it’s ridiculous.

The game performance is another. The fantasy of an MMORPG is to have lots of players involved in the gameplay, yet modern WoW cannot deal with more than ~30 players on the screen before it starts to lag. That severely limits the gameplay experience to the point where the game can barely support its already existing gameplay activities.

The engine limitations is another. This is mostly apparent by playing other games with open worlds and seeing the differences. One major difference is the lack of a real physics engine in WoW. You don’t really interact with the world in WoW. It’s there as a painting that you can observe and you can traverse in it, but you cannot interact with it. And that’s a far cry from modern games like Minecraft, LEGO Fortnite, Breath of the Wild, or similar, where you can chop down trees, smash rocks, dig holes, set things on fire, blow mountains up, and build things where ever you want. You can’t do anything in WoW, and that lack of interaction with the world becomes more and more glaring as you play other games.
Seeing what Blizzard can do with armor appearances in Diablo Immortal and Diablo IV and Overwatch 2, and then seeing the ever-present shortcomings in WoW with hair clipping through helmets and weapons coming out of characters’ stomachs and not being able to do flowing cloaks in a medieval fantasy game in 2024…

Those three. Platform, performance, and engine, those are dragging the game down massively today.

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This exactly, I play dozen mmo so far and even witness 500vs500 battles on my screen in open world that cause no lag but wow some pvp world quest with 10 people fighting on the spot became huge lag fest for some odd reason is just bizzare considering it is mmo and other players well being the whole point of it that there is alot other players so I cant understand why I have lag spikes or fps drops in 8vs8 blitz for example aswell.

I skipped all of the world pvp quest since dragonflight cause they become diashow on mid tier build which I use, I have 3060 ti and ryzen 5600x for cpu and wow on m.2 ssd and 32gig ddr4 on 3200mhz. The build should be enough to run this game without fps taking a dip in open world when there is people fighting some contested spot and it becoming a diashow.

Image doing M+ or mythic raiding with someone on an xbox controller…

and that’s necessary because?

Then play those games instead. Not every game has to do everything. You play WoW because it’s WoW, not because it’s another open world, crafting, survival game…

Sooo terrible really. Sooo game breaking. I wish I could be bothered by these absolutely terrible things.

But you wouldn’t imagine that, because it will never happen, because WoW was never made with console in mind, let alone mobile.

So the only solution – if Blizzard wants Warcraft as a major IP with a huge flagship game to support it – is to make a brand new game that is made with all major platforms in mind.

Because it elevates the gameplay experience to modern standards.

If all you’ve ever played is WoW, you’re probably happy with things the way they are.
But if you’re 13 years old and you just graduated from Minecraft or LEGO Fortnite, the moment you play WoW the first time you’re going to question why you can’t chop the trees down. And yeah, why can’t you? You picked up Mining, but your character isn’t actually mining any of the rocks. Why not? Why can’t you mine a hole in the nearby mountain? Isn’t that what Mining is?!

There are some severe gameplay shortcomings in WoW that modern games don’t have.
We’re all fairly oblivious to that, because all we do is play WoW. But it’s part of the reason why WoW isn’t very attractive to new players, because the world of Azeroth just isn’t holding up to other modern games anymore.
We like Azeroth because we have a lot of nostalgia for it. But if you don’t have any nostalgia, then it’s just a dated game world with none of the modern gameplay elements that you’re used to.

That’s what people do!!
Blizzard aren’t leveraging success with World of Warcraft, because other than a few million old farts, no one wants to play it anymore. It’s old!
And it may be an easy retort on the forums to just tell people to play something else, but for Blizzard it’s obviously not a successful long-term business strategy to be satisfied with people not wanting to play World of Warcraft.

In a game industry where the revenue stream is largely derived from microtransactions – especially visual cosmetics – having an old game that cannot leverage its artwork to appeal to gamers in general, is an issue.

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Me old me like play wow, I agree that it cashes with the peoples nostalgias probably most and we sorta accept alot of things and pay happily for the expansions even preorder for them. I only wish they fix the performance issues and put more focus into pvp and it would still be great game for me too or Ill go elsewhere when there becomes other mmo again with better pvp and that doesnt stutter this much in general as wow has done for me since dragonflight.

For backround healers became into tww from dragonflight being completely left out neglected for last 2 years in terms of shuffle making alot healers hate their game and cause other modes are still on participation based systems instead of % based rewards or some other better design there isnt much choise either so we all just accept that we play modes with bad designs and which healers hate and then we have long ques for dps cause theres no healers :dracthyr_a1:

I would be careful with those “real physics”. Look how TESO ended up. Whenever you ask TESO players about their opinions about the game, they’ll usually tell you game has such a rich lore, and i mean RICH!!! lore. And the game itself is so beautiful, man i can tell from my experience… So beautiful zones, game overall.
But the actual combat is just weird… That’s what people usually say too. The combat is just weird.
But maybe Blizzard would do better job at that, who knows.

No need to imagine, you already played with someone on an controller but you were not aware of it.

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WoW already is.

Yeah sure. The same standards that make every game terrible (with few exceptions like BG3).

And who the hell cares? There are more games where you can’t do that than there are where you can. if you want to cut down trees then play a game where you can do that. just because some idiot zoomer can’t comprehend that not every game lets you do everything in other games doesn’t mean that you have to homogenize every single one into the same, boring template that people are already sick and tired from.

There is a reason why open world, crafting, survival and early access are the 4 cursed tags on steam games…

And that’s why people are happily replaying classic after 20 years. Oh wait, there are even far less things there.
Maybe the reason there isn’t a constant influx of new players is that the system are so complicated that you need several guides on how everything works?
Maybe the players are not beginner friendly even in leveling dungeons where everyone is constantly rushing and you get kicked for not knowing the most optimal route?
Maybe there is such a huge backlog of content that it’s completely overwhelming?

20 years still beg to differ.

Oh wow, even more store mounts and transmog. That’s what the game needs. Just more and heavier monetization. That surely will make the players happy

It isn’t.

Retail WoW has a couple of million players at most. That is an absolute pitiful number compared to games like Fortnite, Minecraft, Call of Duty, and Grand Theft Auto.

WoW’s market share in the gaming market is very small compared to its own peers. Relying on an aging and declining audience is not a sustainable long-term business strategy.

Blizzard has an old game that no longer attracts new players.
Obviously at some point Blizzard will want to make a new game.
If such a game is to be set within the Warcraft franchise, then it would be obvious to design it as a modern game with modern gameplay elements. Why would you not? No game company is going to make a major premium triple A title and choose to design it like a 90’s Atari product. You make modern games for modern audiences.

If you like WoW, you can just keep playing WoW.

But obviously, if Blizzard were to make a new game, then they would make a modern game for a modern audience. Anything else would be downright ridiculous.

“Let’s spend hundreds of millions of dollars on making a new game that looks like something from the early 2000’s with dated graphics and archaic forms of gameplay interactions. Yeah, that’ll be exactly what gamers want!!”

…Said no one ever.

Blizzard cares, obviously.
They’re a business.
They want more customers.
If their current portfolio of games can’t attract more customers, well then they need a new portfolio.
That means new games.
And obviously those new games would need to attract customers in ways that the old games fail to do.

You can’t seriously think that Blizzard are just going to stick with WoW and never make another game again because WoW is great and if people don’t like it then they can just play something else!
How’s that a serious take on Blizzard’s outlook as a business?

Come again? Are you saying that because the company has had success in the past, it can rest on its laurels because it’s guaranteed success in the future? Are you for real?!

Business! Business! We’re talking about whether or not Blizzard would make a new major game like World of Warcraft, and obviously such an evaluation would be made from the perspective of Blizzard as a business and not from Vallyn as a player.

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World of warcraft 2 sound pretty stupid :smiley:
so i’m glad there is not going to be any WOW 2
In my opinion we are already playing a second version of this game since WOD

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I understand what you mean about limitation of the current system but this can be modernised over incremental updates or a mass migration to a new new backend system/code.

In terms of Warcraft, it would be great to get a new Warcraft game. Whether that be Warcraft IV RTS or a single player RPG, I’d welcome both.

ofc we’re never seeing a wow2, all talent has left decades ago for starters and fools keep buying all the pay2win tokens and other mtx in a buy2play sub based game from 20 years ago. they good milking you all dry.

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