Its not a tantrum. Youre an idiot.
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It kinda is, like any 5 year old who doesnt think its fair to have a bed time, you dont think its fair you have to reach a minimum ilvl requirement to move to the next level.
Which I explicitly did not say. I suggested it be 5 levels lower to avoid a significant and unnecessary irritation, not non existent.
Apparently your reading comprehension is on par with a 5 year olds.
At which point your groups will be full of people who needed the higher ilvl gear to carry them through the content and your failure rate when queueing would spike.
Fact is, a lot of people do need 155+ ilvl to do heroics. And those people are the ones using to queue system.
I see two sides to this. On the one hand, as an m+ player, I wanted to walk straight into heroics because I think theyâre trivially easy, I didnât need gear to beat them. On the other hand, if you get potatoes queuing into heroics in 130 gear, it could be rough for their party.
A possible solution would be to allow a full (premade) party to queue into heroics regardless of ilvl. So if you get a guild group together you can farm heroics without the hassle of flying in to each one but if you want to queue with randoms, you need some gear.
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What we did on mains was just make premade groups and walked into the dungeons.
Skipped normal on mains that way, couĂŚdnt really do that on DK tho as the premade HC were pretty much gone and replaced with mythics
I agree, ilevel 130 is too low for group finders. Honestly though, having played many HCs through dungeon with the 155 requirement, its been very easy. The only group I had to leave was with 2 mages doing half my DPS (I was tanking), and non of the dps doing mechanics properly. No amount of ilevel requirement in the world is going to solve people simply not knowing the very basics of their rotation.
Every other run has been straightforward, with only the occasional wipe due to mechanical fails. That being the case, I honestly dont think people would encounter huge difficulty with ilevel 150 requirement in group finder, whilst it would be far easier to reach that threshold through normal dungeons.
i thing its a good change - imo it should be even a bit higher like 157.
this is a nice return to cata dungeons - with super easy normals getting you into chalenging hcs and then really challenging m0 (speaking about general playerbase)
i really like this 
you should be required full normal gear to get into hcs .
you can bypass it by buying crafted gear if you are a good player with gold to spare.
if you are a good player you can easily bypass this system by making group and going into hc/m0 dungeons on foot at whtever itlv you like.
I have to ask, why on earth do you like this? Whatâs the upside of trapping people in trivial content? Or alternatively, having them circumvent this grind by playing HCs without the 15% buff they will then get in LFD once the have more gear?
Increasing the requirement to 157 would just be stupid. You would literally be somewhere in the region of 50-100 normals depending on rng to qualify.
Also, HCs really arent challenging. Cata HCs were significantly more difficult than M0s. And qualifying for the ilevel requirement for Cata HCs was a complete pain in the bum too.
For you maybe, but for the average player it takes some time to learn the mechanics, so for them its a good thing the game âforcesâ them to play it on normal to at least learn the basics before moving up.
Your attitude and unwillingness to even acknowledge this rather makes me think its not so easy for you either, you just got lucky and was grouped with people who could carry you.
Yeah, I have cleared every mythic as a tank in full pugs because I had to be carried in heroics. Ive got keystone 15 achievements on my account (again full pugs with no voice comms) because I need to be carried in heroics. Sure.
And as to your point, mechanics which you can largely ignore dont do a good job of teaching you the fight. I can only think of last boss in other side as having a mechanic you actually have to get right in normal. Everything else is extremely forgiving. You can do these dungeons all day, but until you actually get to higher levels of mythic plus, many of the mechanics either dont exist or dont matter. You need them to be punishing to learn.
Wow! You are so right, its not like you can be carried in 15s⌠oh wait, Iâve carried plenty of people in 15s for Oblivion⌠nvmâŚ
Just because they donât one shot yet doesnât mean you canât learn anything from them. And the fact that you dismiss them kinda shows that youâre not that great at dungeons.
I can tell you what I do in normals, I stand in every mechanic to figure out what I can cloak and vanish away, try to grappling hook out of mechanics on repeat to get the timing down and so on.
If you and others donât use them to learn things like that, thats on you. But they are there to learn. And the fact that only 1 boss stands out to you further proofs my point, you have not taken your time to actually learn your class or what mechanics can be cheesed. And now those of us who did take our time with that will have to put up with you in M+ and carry you to another 15s achivement.
If you honestly believe people who do weekly +15s need carrying in heroics, youâre a moron. But I will be charitable and assume you are just being completely disingenuous instead. And no, unlike you, I dont buy gear. I carry my weight in pugs. Also, good luck getting carried whilst tanking.
And if you are seriously arguing there needs to be an ilevel restriction that requires people to run dozens of normals just to qualify for heroics, so you can stand in mechanics to see what defensives work, I dont know where to begin. This is obviously not the rationale for the ilevel requirement. Oh, and you are free to do that at any difficulty level. In fact, you would be much better off doing that in M0s, as there are large mechanical differences between normal and mythic, so anything you did learn in normal has a good chance of not being applicable in mythic anyway.
And the reason only 1 boss stood out is not because I was completely oblivious to the mechanics. I was making the point it was the only mechanic I can think of that in normal actually reliably one shots you if you screw it up. Again with your non existent reading comprehension.
And if you think just because you or other people got 15 achivement in BFA it automatically means that you can jump into any content regardless of ilvl and be fine you are a bigger moron.
Btw, what char did you get this 15s achivement on?
Not your druid the best that did was some 600 score in S3, and the only feat of strength you have is the +10 for season 4âŚ
Did you try and make your self look better than you are? 
I have long since lost count on how many times Iâve had to tank every other pack as a dps because the tank is utter garbage.
Quite easy to carry tanks in 15s, not like thereâs any dmg in 15s
I never said you can jump into any content regardless of ilevel. But you must already know that, because I have explicitly said otherwise in this thread repeatedly. So either you are an idiot who is incapable of basic reading comprehension, or a disingenuous git who is repeatedly trying to attribute to me views you know I dont hold and pretend I cannot handle trivial content like heroics when I can obviously do much harder content.
What I actually said was that if you lowered the ilevel requirement to 150, it would make the grind far less painful whilst still being a more than adequate gear level to pug easily. As someone who actually has pugged about 15-20 HCs through the dungeon finder, I can confirm groups are not barely making the relevant throughput checks in heroics. Its not hard content. When wipes occur, its because of big mechanical screw ups, not tight dps checks or the healer ooming.
As for who my BFA main was, why it would even matter when the content I have done on my druid is obviously far in excess of heroic difficulty, which for some weird reason you wont concede I actually can do without being carried, I dont know. But its this character. Cleared every dungeon at +10 or higher last season, was never boosted, and I believe my best timed run was +16. You can also check my RIO, I stopped pretty early into the season before corruption got crazy. Oh and I got the meta achievement for horrific visions in the first week it was available. That was relatively challenging solo content at the time. But presumably I got carried whilst soloing somehow.
But you insist on changing the ilvl needed based on what YOU have achived in the past, and ignore that, that is not necessarily true for the broader player base because it would be more convenient for you.
You seem unable to grasp that the only boosts are those you pay for. Also you somehow think timing everything at +10 is impressive, or a sign of skill.
10s that late in an expansion, with that kind of gear could very well be considered on par with HC this early in the expansion. You had the gear to do 20s. But all you did was 10s and a few dungeons slightly higher. Another thing you are unable to grasp.
You lot are getting gear?? i havenât seen anything outside the stuff i make since hitting 60
No, I didnt say that either. I said ilevel 150 would be fine for HC dungeon finder. Having run a few dozen heroics through dungeon finder, I know this is true.
And I never said +10 was a sign of great skill. I am saying anyone able to do that CLEARLY DOESNT NEED CARRYING IN HEROICS. Why can you not parse basic English?
And I didnt have boosts of any kind. You have absolutely no evidence that I was carried in any way, and yet you keep implying that I was. On what basis? My execution of the fights and throughput was absolutely fine, and on a par with other players in the pug at +15. Below that level, it was generally above the group average.
And you conveniently ignored the part about the solo horrific vision achievement, which I got 2 months before you. For all the condescension you display towards me, when it comes to content where you dont have a guild to rely on, you were way behind me.
So who is the one getting carried exactly? On the basis of the available evidence - You.
For you this is true, do you even read?
And as I wrote, which you clearly skipped, you overgeared the dungeon, so it means nothing, with your gear at the time it might very well be comparable to HC dungeons in current gear.
On par or just above⌠the average player doing 15s do garbage dps, so if you were only on par or slightly above you did garbage dps as wellâŚ
And what basis i have for this, nothing really, except 100s of pug runs last season, and every single time people talked like you do, they were utter garbage.
Yes, my achivement was delayed by a bit because I was deployed out of the country for a month at the beginning of Season 4âŚ
Just lolâŚ
Please enlighten me, what content did you beat me in where I couldnât rely on a guild ^^ nvm me not having a guild for most of the season
Yes I can read. This may come as a revelation to you, but you are placed in a group with 4 other players in LFD, so its true for nearly all the 80 or so players I have been grouped with as well. And as according to you I am being carried in these groups, if they were fine having to carry a total noob like me (who mysteriously gets solo meta achievements 2 months before pros like you), then it must be fine for the player base generally.
And no, I didnt overgear the heroics. I did the normals, then the heroics, then the mythics. My current gear came AFTER me getting shadowlands dungeon hero. You can even check the dates of my achievements if you dont believe me. I stepped into heroics as soon as I met the ilevel requirement, and was very comfortable.
And if you really think that Mythic +16s are or have ever been as easy as current heroics in any gear, you are simply delusional. And you can see the gear my character is equipped with. No, m+16 at ilevel 125 (and I had lower at the time) is NOT easier than current heroics at ilevel 150. That is a plainly ridiculous claim.
As for your claim that you were deployed overseas and not part of a guild for most of last expansion, why should I believe you? You have consistently implied that I need carrying in heroics ffs, when that is obvious crap, so no, I am not taking the word of an obvious BSer.
And it doesnt help that you had mythic nyalotha boss achievements (obviously in a guild) over a month before you cleared 5 mask visions. Kind of gives the game away. I mean, I am not saying youâre clearly full of sh*t, but when you had access to mythic raid gear, (better than I had) and still didnt get the achievement until a month after this, your excuse doesnt really hold water.
You can claim the average player in a +15 does garbage dps. In reality, +15 is WELL above average in terms of the WOW player base, as is getting the horrific visions meta in the first week its available. If thatâs your obnoxious elitist attitude, you probably arent the right person to be judging what makes sense for heroic dungeon finder requirements are you? Oh and virtually no one talks like my posts in pug group chat. More obvious BS.
And as for âPlease enlighten me, what content did you beat me in where I couldnât rely on a guild ^^â again, try some basic comprehension. The mad world achievement, a solo achievement, 2 months before you got it. Its very clear thats what I was referring to.