Didn’t even know that this was a real letter. For me it’s always been the symbol for the empty set.
(I’m leaving my own quote for the reference and increase clarity of the discussion)
tbh, at first I did not want to use “crappy standards”, I wanted to use “stupid”. But you already did and:
- it felt a little bit aggressive to me to use it to comment on what you said, and
- I did not want to associate my way of thinking to yours (on this specific issue)
If you want a more spontaneous comment from me on this topic, you’ve said:
To be honest, a bit. I find calling my standards crappy unwarranted and insulting, as I’ve said before.
And I’m pretty sure that calling a character from a foreign language stupid is pretty unwarranted and insulting either. In my opinion it’s more justified to feel insulted when one of the characters in your alphabet is called stupid. But at the same time, internet is filled by idiots (not saying you’re an idiot here) so, most people would feel baffled instead of insulted, in such a case, I think.
Also, it doesn’t really matter if it’s the symbol itself or its use in the particular context of character naming that sounds stupid. It doesn’t change the fact that finding that the use of a symbol in a character name is stupid is stupid. (to keep being spontaneous)
Yet, it fits pretty well. In my language it sounds like “fat pile of glued trash”, something like that. And again, I get that being called “trash” may be insulting, but it’s just a description of what Grobluk sound like in my language. Just a coincidence.
The thing is the character é is not a special character in my language.
Sure, I get it. Still, you basically said that if a character isn’t readily available on your keyboard, then it sounds stupid.
As I said, that’s amusing (in fact, I created a post on 9gag about it) and also a little bit tiring.
I see no problem with using variants in orthograph of names. That’s in fact… very common… since dozen of centuries…
How much of english comes from french already ? I’ve forgot.
My native language have accents, I love learning things about different cultures, even ancient cultures (especially ancient in fact). And I think I’m respectful enough to write things as they should be if possible. And certainly respectful enough to not find anything of that sort (including the choice of your own character name) stupid.
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There’s a difference between saying something looks stupid and that somebodies standards are crappy. One is directed at a general topic, one is directed at a person.
Oh no, you misunderstood again. Foreign characters aren’t stupid if they’re being used properly, they’re only stupid if they’re being used to use a character name that’s already taken (e.g. if Grobluk was taken on a server so I’d use Gróbluk). Also the example somebody else used of the “” in “Ângel” being used as a halo is equally not stupid, but rather quite creative, imo.
With the difference of one being directed at a general topic, and one being directed at a specific person.
That’s not a fact, that’s your opinion.
I kind of like that translation, to be completly honest here. Saying it fits could be interpreted as an insult towards my person yet again, though.
And if it’s used properly, I don’t mind it. I simply mind it if it’s used because your initial name was already taken, the way it was recommended to be used by the person my original reply was towards.
That’s your interpretation, though. Not what I said.
Not sure why it’s relevant that you’ve made yet another repost on a repost website.
And I find it silly looking. Isn’t it beautiful how people can have different opinions?
And if I say four twenties ten now, rather than ninety, does it sound silly or not? Because in french, people say four twenties ten, rather than ninety.
See another thing we can agree to disagree about. I don’t think you were being respectful at all. Quite the opposite actually.
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well, neither were you to be honest. you werent respectful either, actually, you were quite petty and condescending towards Thýri. you are entitled to your opinion just like everyone else but its not what but how you say it. germans tend to be quite blunt about things sometimes but the way you worded your opinion can come across as quite insulting as its just that, your opinion. so i ll give you that.
if someone wants to use special characters in their names for whatever reason, let them. i know you dont forbid anyone to use special characters but i dont get why you keep harping on about it when Thýri raised some pretty good points.
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Respectful towards who or what? And I didn’t claim to be respectful either. I know, some things I word can come across as rude and I genuinely apologized for hurting their feelings because it was never my intention.
However, stating that somebodies standards are crappy is a direct insult towards them. And honestly, I don’t believe a second that it wasn’t intended to be one.
I agree with quite a few points and as you’ve said, I don’t forbid anybody to name their character whatever they want.
In fact I just wanted to give the OP a heads up about using too many (or any) special characters in their name sometimes ending up in people being rude towards them.
I mean even though I’m an advocate for LGBTQ+ rights, I wouldn’t recommend anybody naming themselves LGBTQueen in WoW, because chances are they’ll get insulted, bullied or similar. And if somebody recommended somebody to name themselves that, I would also state that it’s probably not the best idea to name themselves said name.
I had similar intentions, I guess I shouldn’t have stated my opinion because it did hurt peoples feelings. I understand that now.
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I would beg to differ.
Thýri.
yeah, i get that. but then turning around and say that “no thats not how you feel” when someone says repeatedly that they re not hurt by what you ve said is quite strange. if they say they arent hurt then they re not. you dont know what they feel, so theres no need to make assumptions and whatnot. its just unnecessary in my opinion and makes you look petty and condescending.
true, but then again you said this:
which is quite personal as well given how Thýri explained that the original name is Þýri and you say that Þ looks stupid. in my opinion its no better than saying you have crappy standards.
i understand you are concerned about how people might behave towards someone with special characters in their names but lets be honest. is it actually a widespread problem? i mean, it might be more an issue on rp realms but i ve never heard anyone complaining about anyones special characters. neither have i seen people discriminating against them either in my 15 years playing wow. i myself regularly use special characters in my names and i ve never had any issues whatsoever and never heard of anyone having problems due to having a certain name. (i know, its anecdotal evidence but its the best i ve got)
at this point i d reckon the amount of players with and without special characters are roughly 50:50.
the examples you mentioned just seem very niche and out there to me to be honest. i have seen people kicked for various reasons while dungeon leveling but a special character in a name is definitely a first.
special letters are allowed by blizzard so if anyones being a jerk about it then its their problem and noone elses.
were special characters a pain in the behind years ago? yeah. sure. but even then i ve never seen anyone getting into trouble for it.
true. cause it probably falls under provocative names and certain reactions are to be expected. however, i think there is a significant difference between calling yourself Lgbtqqueen and lets say, Schmusédecke.
well, your opinion is as valid as anyone elses and you had good intentions, however, i dont think its good to get into arguments purely based on opinions. its also not what but how you say things.
i mean, for example, you effectively called me “lazy” because i have characters with special letters. i dont take offence at it but i think its not the smartest thing to say when you want to have a meaningful discussion with someone. i would avoid calling things, which are based on your opinion, outright stupid etc. this gives off a negative vibe and is too emotionally charged. just describe why you dont think something is a good idea and you re good to go.
anyways, i only wanted to give my two cents and not derail the discussion, my apologies.
have a nice night.
Yes the name is allowed. There are around 50 people on armory using that name already, so it’s clear someone on your server with what ever level alt is using it already.
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TBH, Thýris name is really bugging me. I cant stop watch this ý with ` above the letter… Its really melting my mind and Im losing sanity when I see names like this one… My name is ok, cuz nothing is hanging out up there. I cant stop starring at this ý 
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You are right.
There are 50 who have used Sinmara but none on Silvermoon realm so I do not understand why it is not working.
Remember some time ago I wanted to name a character Aryanna after a friend once I knew but that was not allowed either but in armory I saw a lot who had it but not on that realm I played on.
So do not really understand why some can use it and me not able to use it.
So maybe ask support to help me or they can’t do anything about it?
And did I claim to be? I respect their opinion and I respect them having one. I know I am condescending on the regular. Sometimes it’s intended, sometimes it’s by accident, especially when I’m speaking or writing in my third language. In this case, my condescending tone was simply my response towards them insulting me and my standards.
If they weren’t hurt, why was their immediate reaction to insult me? I can’t think off any other reason, to be honest.
I don’t think saying that “Þ” as a letter in an english name looks stupid is a direct insult towards Thyri, excuse me for not copying the Y, cba. If they understood it as one, I once again apologize, it wasn’t my intention to insult them. It’s just that Þ looks silly, in my opinion. If it’s an original name that has a specific pronounciation to them, it’s not something I personally find stupid, very different from using special characters to use names that are already taken. But the character will always look silly to me.
Once again, I have a different opinion from you in this case.
Probably not, to be honest. But it was something that came to mind when I read the reply about to just use special characters.
Something I myself said.
Yes, there’s also a difference between Schmusédecke and ŞĉȞƜüƧËÐËĉĶË. I’m sure some people find the second to be provocative.
I don’t expect people to get bullied or kicked for a singular special character, although it obviously can happen, since you can probably get kicked for literally anything in a LFG dungeon.
I agree. However I feel kind of expected to reply to people who do reply to me.
honestly, I never intended to have a meaningful discussion with somebody whose first reply was to insult my standards. I just kept replying because they asked questions and replied to me, it’s what I do.
And the lazy part, is it not lazy to simply add special characters to a name because you can’t think off a different one? Also I don’t think being lazy regarding character names is inherently a bad thing, outside of RP servers. If I name my characters “Groblukdh” “Groblukdruid” and so on, it’s inherently lazy.
Yes, I understand and agree. I understood when my standards got insulted due to my opinion.
Thanks for giving your input, I appreciate it. And you too!
I have a Vanargand which was an alternate name for Fenrir so Norse names are defo allowed
Basicly means it’s taken already, and it can be on an inactive character(but not necessarily an inactive account).
I wouldn’t call that anywhere near common. I know many people with names with symbols and special letters in them, like Æ, Ø and Å. Doesn’t seem to cause them much troubble.
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It’s not an O… It’s a sound which we have given a letter. Aren’t you danish/norwegian yourself? English way to type it is “oe” iirc.
Do you think chinese, arabic, etc. look stupid? Don’t you think it goes the other way around too? That they think our letters look stupid?
They won’t show if they are low level.
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I think you mentionned norvegian or danish earlier. Are you scandinavian ? just wondering, since ý is pretty common in icelandic (which is part of the same language family).
You haven’t said something looks stupid though, you’ve said that something cultural looks stupid. That’s quite agressive toward that culture. And, onto the topic, finding it stupid makes no sense, really, so it’s kinda agressive toward logic too.
But let’s keep these accusation of agression out, it goes nowhere. Especially, as I already said, when I haven’t insulted you. Even if you feel otherwise - that’s fine - but you’re mistaken here.
In real life, names evolve with different cultures and with sociopsychological pressure. Regarding the use of “special characters”, as I already said, some characters you consider special are not special at all in their language. And if you dislike the overuse of accents or decorations in names, check this:
https ://www.behindthename.com/name/stephanie/tree
In the root, you can see that stephanie (which no accents) comes from ancient greek stephanos. But in ancient greek, stephanos would have been written Στέφανος. So already quite “stupid looking” by your standard.
Look further down the tree, you can find Estevão and Estefânia in portuguese.
Look even further down: Czech has ŠTĚPÁN and ŠTĚPÁNKA. That’s a lot of accents!
But let’s even talk for a bit about ŞĉȞƜüƧËÐËĉĶË.
There’s definitively a lot of cedilla, accents and non-english characters that feature decorations here. If it’s the abundance of decoration that looks stupid, then all of arabic and hindi and any language that use these decorations on a regular basis must look stupid.
So, this argument doesn’t really holds.
If it’s the fact that using a “special character” in order to be able to use a particular name in wow that is already taken that is stupid, then it’s quite amusing because in real life, name evolve, as I said, due to various pressures, including cultural and sociopsychological pressures.
For example, you’d find an accent in Hervé in french, because the spelling Hervé better describes how the name must sound.
Earlier, someone said something about his name and the character ø… Let me find it…
In fact, considering “ø” sounds like “eu” in french, the spelling for Kaløyan in french would have been Kaleuyan. And for german it would have been Kalöyan. And here you go, name evolution.
So now, what is the pressure in world of warcraft ? You cannot take a name that is already taken. That’s quite arbitrary. And it definitively does not work like that in real life, so people might find it unfair or broken. But right now, that’s how it works and it’s part of the pressure people have to face when choosing names.
Considering that people often convey meaning and identity to their names and often use the same name or variations of the same names for their characters (so they are easily recognized by their friends in game), meaning and identity has a lot of importance when choosing a name.
So, if you’re attached to a particular name - not necessarily emotionally attached, you can be practically attached, for example - then it’s important for you to keep using that name. So, what tools do you have at your disposal ? accents and “special characters”.
And it’s only normal to do so and it’s also pretty organic and a natural evolution of these names, imho.
That’s why I said that thinking that using characters which are not readily available on the keyboard is stupid is stupid.
It’s not just an opinion.
But since we’ve said “enough with the accusations”, I’ll rephrase that to be more accurate:
thinking that using symbols which are not readily available on the keyboard for naming your character is oblivious of how naming works in general and oblivious of the restrictions imposed by the game.
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I’ve never seen that happen in the 14+ years i have been playing.
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yes. i have 5 different tesla with éèà
I’ve seen it happen once in LFG, but not because of any alt codes. Just randomly out of nowhere.
Probably just wanted to kick someone and created a reason.