ohthats so true
its alsmot as if it was meaningless as casual player
its almsot like it was not worht doing
almost like people rather play FF14 then farm codex 
What do you define as the âbig 3â? 233 gear is irrelevant and better gear can easily be obtained, and conduit upgrades matter little to none if you donât raid or play semi high keys.
Also to reply to @ LilĂŽith, If you believe wow is just codex rep and thatâs the only thing you seem to want to do, then go play FF14? Clearly youâre burned out of wow and canât see enjoyment in it.
Youâre being extremely unreasonable. Codex rep is really irrelevant especially for casuals.
233 gear can be obtained by completing 1x +7 dungeon. It doesnât get more casual than that. M+ is another type of content Iâd advice any âcasualâ to get into, if you get past the hurdle of getting to know the dungeon and the affixes, which shouldnât take too long you might actually find yourself enjoying the content, with itâs rewards alongside of it.
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The common definition is: M+, rated PvP and organized Raiding.
Not for those people who donât participate in âthe big 3â. That was my point.
Yeah agreed. I was only talking of the last 2 Korthia gear upgrades you can get at rank 6.
Very much disagree with that. It gets MUCH more casual than that.
A lot of players donât step foot in ANY mythic dungeon.
Thatâs not the biggest hurdle for me. The grouping system (or rather: lack thereof) is.
But itâs also just a simple case of; I donât enjoy that sort of content. I play for fun.
Could you explain to me what content requires 233 gear that doesnât include Mythic+, Raiding or PvP to where if you cannot get 233 gear you cannot complete it?
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Yes, just as much, queueable content is without a doubt casual content. There is no world where you can make a case that LFR or random BGs is anything but casual content.
So I stand by my word, you have nothing to show that blizzard design focus is the elite or w/e.
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Thatâs not the point.
Getting upgrades is cool. Itâs fun.
Having your character become more powerful is fun.
Itâs a pillar of any RPG.
So are dungeons and raids.
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The pillar of an RPG is also getting rewarded for doing all types of content, which you want to ignore, so how come you should get access to all types of gear if you focus on the least challenging content? It makes less sense than asking why youâd need 233 gear for levelling or questing.
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I do. You disregarding things doesnât mean anything. Itâs just your PoV.
So? Thatâs not my point, is it?
Why drag things into it that donât matter to the point Iâm making?
You donât, you disregarding things I say doesnât mean anything⌠see how such meaningless drivel goes both ways.
Show us how the design is only for the elite now⌠focus on the 3 pillars doesnât even get close to doing that, since that is also for the more casual players.
I disagree that that is a âpillarâ.
Thereâs a lot of different content because MMORPGs tend to have a very varied playerbase who like different things. So having variety is good. Doesnât mean you SHOULD or HAVE TO participate in all of it.
Who says I should? I didnât say that.
What are you on about mate?
I just explained âthe needâ. Fun.
Having fun in a game is wrong now?
What IS your point. If your point is that you should get the same gear without doing the same content then I donât agree thatâs a healthy type of design.
If you limit yourself, you should be limited to what gear you get. If you donât want to do dungeons then you shouldnât get dungeon gear, if you donât want to do torghast you shouldnât get a legendary, if you donât do the codex rep then you should not get access to upgrading to 233 gear.
Itâs not really abnormal to requirements to unlocks⌠I donât really know what point you try to make other than wanting things easily meanwhile others have to push themselves for it.
It doesnât create good design.
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Sigh.
You said:
And I replied:
That is the entire point. You said something which was false, imo.
That was all. Nothing more.
We done?
Just because you want it doesnât make it important. What I said wasnât false, you could have made an argument that you need that type of gear to do the content you do, if it would prevent you from doing the content then I would agree with you.
As I said, reaching rank 6 is not important for the content you do. Your point doesnât discredit what I said and it doesnât make it false.
Haha! This guy is the type that have his own quotes on the wall. The density on the social behavior, dear lord 
then what else is wow if not codex rep is someone in not raiding and not pushing keys in 9.1
how else can people obtain gear ?
it is just codex for majority of potential wow playerbase who never do organized isntance content and never will.
those people played in BfA because there was content for them to do - now ? now they are playing FF14 - because thats where they can find non toxic non elitest content.
not in wow.
And we can have this go the other round with âpeople like youâ reducing the value of gear due to titanforging and people also leaving because of that so spare me your bull. Also no, the consensus was more than clear and the demand to remove TF (tf, not warforge) was a lot louder than you lot crying to have it back now.
Also the âi pay the same $ to this gameâ is adorable.
You dont need the gear in the content youre playing (thats a fact) and you shouldnt get gear as powerful as counterparts from sources that are way harder than killing some slimes.
Also lets completely ignore the fact that systems like Titanforging caused the problem where people had to farm the casino to get items such as the Arcano Crystal due to it being so strong in comparison and TF making it feasible to farm. So no, Titanforge has no place in this game
Citation needed. For both of you claiming they all play FF14 and that they have lost for precisely the reasons you stated and none others.
Yes there are plenty. Its not being done due to energy. Especially if one soulbind is used for everything.
You insulted me before i âinsultedâ you in the other thread. So hes correct.
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That is something that cannot be answered, it differs for everyone.
To me WoW is getting transmogs, completing Heroic raid, get Key stone master, obtain mounts, get loremaster at one point, level characters, do torghast, meet new people, obtain gear, get flying in expansions, SPENDING TIME WITH FRIENDS.
Notice how I listed more than just the âbig 3â that is MY list. If you decide the only worthwhile content in WoW is âthe big 3â and you donât want to do âthe big 3â then go play another game?
There is more to do if youâre interested in that type of content, you only enjoying a small portion of it is a complete YOU issue.
You keep going on about FF14, I implore you to completely move to FF14 and have a good time, we play games for fun, if WoW doesnât do it for you anymore then you should leave and stop wasting your time.
Sure WoW has issues but youâre too focused on an idea of wow that already exists in the form of FF14, maybe instead of trying to change WoW, go play the game you want it to change into?
I canât show the blind the way