Yes, I stand corrected: the dark rangers only said they planned to join, not that they had already left the forsaken
I would actually abide to this specifically. If a DM does an event, it’s just courtesy to respect their effort by cooperating with them rather than causing confusion and drama.
The “current lore” is that there is no consistency in what the armistice/peace/truce/war is. Gilneas is a case of the devs ultimately barely paying attention to what the current state of affairs is, since just as the city has NPCs that for gameplay purposes are marked as ‘Friendly’, it also has Calia leaving Gilneas while telling you she doesn’t expect peace any time soon while doing the absolute minimum effort to get the zone to be up to date. Bel’ameth was the focus, and with Bel’ameth they pulled all the stops: you get a debuff when you’re Horde, NPCs are marked appropriately, your very presence as Horde is given some measure of justification.
Assuming that you can be Horde and be in Gilneas freely because the NPCs are friendly is putting way too much stock on the team that worked on it actually paying attention to what they were doing. After all, it’s Queen Calia too, isn’t it?
A tail as old as Genn.
Did both slip through the cracks and make it to their released state or do we just know that they were mistakes made and then fixed?
Iunno, I’ve only seen that the queen part was changed cuz the dev responsible for it admitted that they didn’t know wtf they were writing about.
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My headcanon is that it was not a slip up and Blizzard was just testing the waters if they could savely ignore the Desolate Council nonsense to replace them with Queen Calia Menethil (The Pallid Lady) and her handsome undead boyfriend Natha… Err Derek Proudmoore (Champion of the Pallid Lady)already.
Needless to say, the backlash made them backtrack real quick and now they have to wait with updating Lordaeron -again- because we filthy fans are still not accepting their plans of making Lordaeron a neutral (undead) Human Kingdom under a Menethil again and we rather have a proper Council.
I see no other reason as to why else they half-assed the Reclamation of Gilneas and still ignore Lordaeron after we liberated it😩
I would hope this was not the case. It would be so petty.
To be honest, I expected this to be the case in Gilneas aswell, and the fact worgen are just friendly, even to Forsaken, is actually very sus.
Usually the quest writers are just poorly informed about the lore of their own game. Reminds me of:
If true, this is unironically one of the worse scenarios for roleplayers.
I know this may not seem relevant, but when was the last time Blizzard offered any public lore discourse they were engaged in other than “Steve Danuser explains things that the game isn’t telling you overtly to Asmongold-at-Home”?
Funny you should mention that, there’s one of Metzen doing just that about concessions made for gameplay that don’t correlate to how things actually are in canon, just because you can do them in gameplay.
https://youtu.be/E7fVTabpyf8?t=1336
14 years ago
Any answer given by Metzen about the setting has to be from at least 7-8 years ago. Legion was the last time Metzen wrote in Warcraft’s lore department, and even then, he was pretty hands off about the whole thing.
It feels like a lot when you put it in years and not expansions, but the last time Chris Metzen fully directed the leadership of the lore of an expansion was ten years ago.
Oh, 100%. My man martyr’d himself to make StarCraft 2, Diablo 3 and Overwatch lore while Heroes of the Storm stayed on-theme and had a banger soundtrack, and look where they are now
Skill issue
Going back to this thread, my overall reacting is just… this right now.
Just play alliance or go to Dalaran for N-RP, or be productive and help make a neutral RP hub:
https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/neutral-rp-making-a-true-neutral-rp-hub/499550
I remember at the start of DF, I talked to an NPC who commented on how weird it was to work with the other faction, because just a few months ago, they could very likely have met on the battlefield. So, I don’t think the truce is quite as rock-solid as a lot of people think.
Indeed, I think the only reason the Horde and Alliance had a joint expedition was because some of the most powerful creatures on the planet said “Fine, you can come, but if there is any hostilities you will be destroyed.”. That’s why both factions chose to send specifically non-military groups.
Of course, the League of Explorers and Reliquary also have a long history of gooning each other, but I suppose Blizzard forgor 
Generally speaking (and that’s my personal intake on current RP scenery all-in-all, so what you’re going to read below may not match your opinion, that’s completely valid but don’t brash me for my views either, ty ty), I find current RP very much on the opposite from what I used to enjoy.
My biggest ‘beef’ is characters that make no sense under one or another circumstance.
Whenever I’d take a walk around SW, Duskwood, Arathi, Gilneas or Bel’ameth, there’s always these sort of characters such as:
Darkfallen, 20 feet tall Dracthyr, Half-Orc/Half-Troll/Half-enter-your-race-here, Vampyrs, San’layn, Mega-Bulky-Poison-Machines/Robots, etc etc etc. I’ve only brought up a bit of those that come first to my mind.
I get this impression that people simply want to feel special and get the attention from others.
It’s great that people generally try to bring some diversity but when you have all sorts of oddities AND especially in the places where they make no sense to be at, uncommon characters become common and mediocre. And simple, common characters before uncommon because of how fewer and fewer of them are left in RP scenery.
In SW, for example, or same Duskwood, there’s that sort of tendency that TLDR: “Lets drop our past beef and become owo friends” which I can’t really adhere to as it clashes against my own vision.
Either way, what I’m trying to say, is that as of late, I begin to enjoy RP less and less, simply because majority (not all, mind you) ppl think that by being ‘special’ they bring something to the table, but in truth, they just want to get that social life RP with friends, rainbow and magic while standing out in front of the others.
I once have seen a Tuskarr in SW that was having a small cooking stall. That alone brings quality content to RP about in comparison to a walking robo-worgen who ‘scans the area around’.
I wish things were more simple and grounded as they used to be, but alas. =/
I -think- you’re referring to the Horde and Alliance recruits who, respectively, has their mother scolding them for making these statements (ie. Captain Garrick) and teaching them the power of empathy, because the other faction “is just like them”.
In general, while I do not deny that such feelings do make sense (you’d have groups of people being reticent when it comes to cooperation, etc etc, others outright refusing it) it’s undeniable that Blizzard’s current direction is that of putting the faction war aside… at the very least for now. Will it come back? Potentially, but that’s not the point.
That’s not what they said though. Alexstrasza never issued any physical threat, she just demanded no violence between the warring factions, and the Alliance and the Horde agreed.
It’s a bit strange to read replies which speak about how relevant certain things require a long build up, how this or that event needs a slow, ever-growing developmental major arc that will happen through the years, or how the faction war is being stopped by (an actually never issued) threat of the Dragonqueen when it is just not the approach that Blizzard is following:
We have characters like Lintian Voss showing up in Bel’Ameth and being best buds with the night elves, cinematics in which the Alliance and the Horde are giving each other a high five while they race in the sky and the Horde helping the Alliance in reclaiming Gilneas with no visible advantage other than public relations… Well, some of it feels forced, some of it doesn’t, but it’s strange that people go: “see? see? this NPC mentioned a faction war of some time ago, things have NOT changed!”.
Sometimes I have the impression that players just don’t want to acknowledge this simple fact: according to the canon, the faction dynamics are already shifting.
EDIT.
It does not mean that they won’t shift back, mind. In fact, I’d argue that a period of actual friendship would make a new war feel more compelling, even if personally I’m kind of fed up with the idea of these two major blocks having to go at each other’s throat. I’d prefer small scale conflicts between minor factions, but I am not sure how I’d feel about tossing some of the current development aside… again.
While the names of the NPCs elude me at present, they are a nightborne and worgen situated in Valdrakken. On one of the lower levels down some stairs as I recall.
I can’t believe you’re insulting lintian like this, no one deserves to be compared to lillian voss
Fair enough. I do personally recall the episode of Captain Garrick (and her Horde counterpart) teaching their son/daughter about how the other faction “isn’t that different from us”. Which, yeah, fair, they are right, but it felt a bit cheesy.
I believe my point still stands though: we ought to acknowledge, on an OOC level at the very least, that there is a shifting dynamic.
Oops. Fair, I should apologize. Sorry Lintian!
Usually they will tell you to “just ignore them and move away”. Its this type of attitude that leads to a degradation of quality.
When anything is permitted and people discard the rules and lore, you have a mess that usually results in OOC meltdowns, god emoting and all around death of a community.
Rules and limitations serve to strengthen RP, not hamper it. Unfortunately people who rp outlandish concepts like being a half-tauren, half dragon or a Warhammer 40k cyborg generally don’t care about others.
They wish to be a ‘main character’ where their main personality traits are ‘I am a half race’ and ‘I weild an M16’