Nothing new for us Frost mainers in 8.2?

Classes Death Knight
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Are they serious? they’re addressing some things but the state we are in is apparently fine?

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let’s just wait and see what the HoA essences will do to the specc okay?

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You can already see that on PTR. And let me tell you, it’s underwhelming.
Take Visions of Perfection, the hottest essence. As a Frost DK it gives you a chance to proc… Empower Runic Weapon. Wow. And then compare that to a destro getting Infernals or Demon Hunters getting Metamorphosis (80%+ uptime on five minute fight for example, how’s that).

Biggest burst you can get is probably gonna be a combo of major Blood and minor Dreams, plus some trinkets of course.

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Yeah, but for us pvpers? literally nothing. It’s the worst spec in pvp atm if you look at ladders.

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Obliterate with blood is quite a powerhouse. However, this doesn’t mean other classes won’t be better. But yeah, Frost is in a sad state for PvP.

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I’ve seen world top 1v1 in 5man setup where a single frost DK took out the entire oposing team consisting of 5 different classes. check out Dalaran Gaming’s youtube

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That is not because of it’s damage, it’s because of it’s absurd healing. Check out my forum post. Frost is a new tank spec, no dps but insane healing.

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Not only do they give UH the damage it needs, it also gives its main spam ability a healing adsorb. If that was not enough, they made it so Death Coil is only used during proc as to make 100% sure UH has Death Strike as its main resource dump -self healing ability.

So Frost you can’t damage, pressure, and heal self like UH can AND UH has multiple ways to interrupt and boost damage.

Clearly some people in Blizz wanted to relegate frost to crap status in PvP.

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Then learn to play Unholy. Overall a more immersive spec with a lot more enjoyable rotation and gameplay in general. You can’t be so sad about PvP when your class still has the best melee spec for arenas in the whole game.

For PvE on the other hand, I see your point. Unholy and frost are both disappointing for raiding, as they bring bad dps and only lackluster utility. For m+ both are viable but not the go-to DPS to bring for your runs.

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I think they are just keeping the spec…

On ice! :sunglasses::point_right::point_right:

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In which statement did he or I say that we cannot play Unholy? Just because the spec is broken doesn’t mean I want to play it. It’s like multiboxing with healers atm.

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Lol Dude that was chillbayne in a single perfect setup encounter for his advantage. He played good though. but no frost DK has been able to replicate what chillbayne did in that video. not even himself in other videos were he participated afterwards.

Also he only beat 4 different classes. 2 warriors, 1 shaman, 1 rogue and 1 drood. And they were undergeared all of them exept The drood.

I know this for certain because i participate in these duels myself.

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Umm Unholy is the TOP dps in the game on AoE atm.
World elite in mythic +, uses Unholy DK’s in their team which have been seen to do 1 million dps in waycrest manor. You can find it on youtube.

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tnx for the nuance, but my point still stands. It still proves that frost DK is more then vaible as a PvP spec.

Also, in your next post you counter someone’s else’s argument with virutally the same reasoning as I did, only it’s aimed towards PvE.

1 mil dps requires the stars to allign perfectly for it to work. The setup was increadibly specific with I believe 3 stacks festermight.

but still, the point remains, 2 examples where a DK performes exceptionally well where others claim the class to be subpar at best.

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You realise 1v1 isn’t really worth alot right? after all, it would be completely dominated by tanks at the top of a 1v1 ladder with discipline priest at the very top due to being literally invulnerable in a 1v1 situation.

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They have used unholy DK very infrequently in the MDI. Sure, they can deal well with some reaping waves, and big pulls, but after all, with highers keys you usually want to limit the pull size down. Down so much, you do not benefit from having a DK in the group. A rogue outperforms DK in single target damage by a mile and they provide sufficient AoE for big and small pulls. Rogues also have a huge amount of utility that DK does NOT bring to the group.
I have seen outlaw rogue pulling 300-500k DPS in AoE and along with its higher single target damage they’re more ideal class / spec to bring to your dungeon group.

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But what do you know about the game’s top end anyways? You’re an LFR raider with 5/9 HC and norm cleared of BoD? Below average player, so your opinion doesn’t really matter anyways.

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then what’s the discussion here? Several times ppl mention that frost DK is bad in pvp, but being able to take out 4 opponents doesnt count towards PvP viability? Then what’s the threshold? on what platform does a class need to perfom to be considered ‘good’ in that bracket?

My point is that there are several platforms for a class to perform. They perform bad at some, and excell at others. If there’s a class that beats all other classes on all platforms, then that class is OP af and needs to be fixed rather then other classes buffed.

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keep in mind that tanks can often 1v1 people easily, that does not make them good at pvp.

You need to be able to kill a healer solo as a dpser to be good at pvp and that is the only real requirement.

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1V1 means nothing. N-O-T-H-I-N-G.

It’s 2s and 3s we are talking about when it comes to PVP. They are literally, THE worst atm if you look at ladders. Hell, there’s even more Protection Warriors in 3s than Frost Death Knights. Do not assume that just because a spec is good in 1v1 scenarios, then it’s good in all PVP scenarios. That Frost Death Knight was literally just outhealing their oponent, damage was complete garbage. It’s like a new tank spec.

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