No I didnât instead
I imagine (as someone who admittedly does not know Mythundis beyond him being the GM of some nelf group) that he would be interested in âopening dialogueâ if the party he was opening dialogue with hadnât taken an IC interaction as an OOC slight
Good guess by me looks like
This is factually the way all RP should be, simple as
You seem to be missing the point. Mythundis did attempt to deal with the grievances the organisers had, as well as the rumours going around - Niamhâs co-organiser stopped responding, and when he wanted to contact Niamh, this co-organiser told him outright that she is too busy. How can you suggest blame is being shifted anywhere? Would you have contacted Niamh after being told this? I would not have - and nor were we expecting to find ourselves in Whisperwind Grove the same night with Daâleshar amassing several people to apparently dispense justice, threatening a fight.
Whatever happened. Remember that this was an event that took weeks, and countless hours to plan. And for someone to arrive last minute, or even in the middle of the event to try and influence the whole event can be very stressful.
This makes it suddenly ten times harder for the ones arranging the event, and more than likely, they would already be under a lot of strain.
And when things donât go completely as planned, well, then just let it go, or better yet, approach earlier next time. Would be easier to accommodate everyoneâs wishes if you get a heads up and not just have it slapped in your face when you are in the middle of other things.
From what Iâve read in this thread, it seems as though the way this was approached from Mythundisâ side was to (attempt to) ensure that the Hand of Cenariusâ actions did not influence the event and were kept as an aside, after the nightâs scheduled activities were over.
That aside, I had fun at the Festival. With so many people attending, itâs always going to be a very big challenge to keep things running smoothly; itâs definitely not something Iâd have the patience for.
Why would you advocate for metagaming.
Wouldnât it make sense for them to have IC guards to deal with IC issues?
Avoids the meta and installs the logic.
That shouldnât have been a reply to you Koif.
No disagreement here.
Again I seem to have failed to bring my point across but this has already carried on for more than it needs to.
Would like if it could end on a more positive note, so apologies to both Niamh and Mythundis for muddling the waters. Still hasnât detracted any value from the roleplay provided, so Iâll leave this with a positive attitude while I still can.
Cheerio, folks!
Yeah, imagine roleplaying in a public RP event, thatâs pretty cringe. If I were hosting a public event, Iâd only expect Cathedral Square lamp post standing around and every attendee being an NPC to entertain me. 
By keeping in character IC and not bringing it OOC with weird no evidence provided âI heard it through the grapevineâ rumormongering about PCU.
As a very certain 500 IQ goblin once said, âfind out ICâ. Find out IC, bruh. Reading peopleâs TRPs to allow them / restrict them from coming = literally an idea worse than cancer.
You misunderstand, I was simply making a point of how absolutely impossible it would be to police this. By reading my post you should have understood that itâs impossible, and that I merely made a ridiculous example. But perhaps I should have phrased it better.
The opening post did ask the following from the attendees:
The event shall be in keeping with previous years in that it will be neutral, held within the safety of Moonglade. We ask that all attendees respect this, and also remember that the Lunar Festival is not a place for bitterness, squabbles, fel magics, void misdemeanours, etc.
When such a request has been proposed OOC, I think itâd generally be courteous to give organisers a headups of something that could escalate to have an impact on an event that has taken a lot of time to set up. Even if the hostilities occured in the late hours after the main events were done, thereâs always a chance it leaks to influence the next dayâs atmosphere at the event. Be that as it may I hope Mythundis and Niamh can come to an understanding about the matter!
Iâd recommend reading through Urenâs post far above (đ [N/RP] Lunar Festival 31st January - 2nd February - #117 by Urens-argent-dawn) which also makes a brief point about this. Sadly most of it was ignored / brushed aside.
A lot to read, but I think I can see whatâs sheâs saying.
The fact is, if itâs a neutral event in Cenarion holding, where were the Cenarion Wardens? Get people to RP em! Horde members are welcome in Nighthaven and IC conflict can happen at any time, always best be prepared.
I feel it should be obvious.
Is your character armoured, armed, and wearing obvious faction iconography, and are they known to have previously attended the narrative driven campaigns which covered the destruction of Teldrassil?
Itâs quite easy to police the first three on a strictly in-character basis without the need to rifle through someoneâs OOC information.
It was made almost impossible for characters that still hold grudges (after such an expansion no less) to not act, and I donât intend to break my character simply for the sake of fulfilling some kind of odd sunshine and rainbows fantasy. Initially, there was no intention to cause more than some discomfort and simply enjoy the festival IC.
Although organisers deny that there was any OOC part in it, this quote (without a name of course) from one of them, I think, proves the opposite:
Aye it keeps happening, but just from two guilds. Horde RPers have issues with RP as it is, and they come to a big server event and are getting greif still. just want everyone to have a chill time
This OOC stance led to fully armed Horde characters that were stirring trouble (assaults, mocking of genocide) to be ignored, not sent away and not told off, in front of Alliance characters (as Urens said above). In one case, even told to keep oneâs head down after an assault.
Additionally, the priestesses in question collaborated actively with Nightborne characters, blessed Horde soldiers known from the DoW campaign and a speech called them âthe true heroesâ for coming.
This is all IC, I understand it completely, and to be honest, I loved the tension that resulted of it, but then things need to be kept IC. You canât expect to do such things and force other people to break character for the sake of your event. Multiple people above mentioned they had to log off their characters for that reason.
If you truly wish for people to simply leave you in your bubble, ignore an entire expansion and bend their characters to your liking, the disclaimer should have been much more detailed and elaborate.
Edit: My comments posted here do not necessarily represent the stances my guild has.
This is also something Iâd like to reflect on.
The event shall be in keeping with previous years in that it will be neutral, held within the safety of Moonglade. We ask that all attendees respect this, and also remember that the Lunar Festival is not a place for bitterness, squabbles, fel magics, void misdemeanours, etc.
I feel like with the Glaivewings, it wouldâve been very easy to judge who might be a problem, so to speak, by either just having two guards at the entrance to Nighthaven/Moonglade checking if people are armoured or carry weapons.
I found it quite peculiar that characters that have participated in past campaigns (e.g. Drums of War) were allowed to have a threatening look to them with weapons etc, since that is surely something thatâll bring bitterness to the event? But sure - one may not know the character participated in the campaigns - might still want to remove weaponry from them upon entrance.
Furthermore, thereâs bound to be bitterness from night elves after their race endured such a heavy toll very recently, only for the focus to come on Horde as the heroes (as said in the opening ceremony) and much more, which certainly would spite some. And thatâs not a bad thing! Conflict RP doesnât always mean thereâs OOC grievances at play - it might just be us playing our characters the way they would react anyway!
In a way, it does feel like the organisers often put themselves into position that was going to break that rule/guideline - and by giving Horde characters preferential treatment over and over (such as saying it was the Night Elfâs fault for getting kicked in the back by a Troll IC) and not expecting any conflict to arise from it IC just feels oddly dumb to me.
And Iâm not even going to get into the fel/void part, when we saw Demon Hunters and Void Elves everywhere, Undead riding on skeletal horses and all that jazz. Instead, I feel like there was a double standard at play.
Iâm quite sure nobody decided to attend the event with the intention of disrupting the festivals, this all happened dynamically. Otherwise, Iâm quite sure half of the attendees shouldâve said âHey, Iâm coming fully armoured and weaponised!â at the very least. And while this could all have been solved IC, the festival was sadly soured by some of it being taken OOC.
However, thatâs not to say the festival itself was bad, or disappointing. I think itâs important to recognise mistakes and learn from them, so that next year it can be a better event - but that doesnât mean the festival wasnât good. It was!
Good points Nera!
Iâm just gonna pop by here for a moment, Iâll make a point of saying that I was in the organiser team, and while I didnât take as much as an active role in the running of things during this event. I did deal with a significant chunk of the IC stuff from the Nightborne side.
If I remember correctly that quote that you used was mine, and if I also remember correctly the actual context for the quote is in discussion to me talking about my guild dealing with Teldrassil accusations fairly regularly despite the fact the Shalâdorei werenât even shown in the in game scenario to be taking part. I myself find conflict RP with Kaldorei fun (Iâve even gotten in trouble myself over inflammatory comments IC). Iâm aware Shalâdorei RPers were involved in the War of Thorns RP event (Myself included may I add) so itâs not like the Kaldorei anger is unjustified. Iâd even go as far as to say I expected it, this has not been the first time Iâve been on the receiving end of angry night elves and I doubt itâll be my last. Thatâs fine, in many ways I encourage it with my guilds stance on Elune being objectively false in many cases.
Regretfully I didnât play a huge part in policing any of the Horde mannerisms in the event, partially because there wasnât seen as a need for it, partially because it was a large event with lots of things going on at once. I did have Erena go up to people who were picking fights right after Niamh tried to clear the inn (Some of your guys were included but as far as I was concerned IC was IC and all that jazz.)
Iâm not an alliance priestess so I canât comment on the blessing of horde soldiers stuff, it was my understanding that the reason the melody were there was to do that⌠If it did happens thatâs up to the discretion of the people who did it.
Slightly wrong there, I gave that speech youâre referring to, Iâm a horde priestess, I donât see the horde as a bad thing IC. I also didnât say true heroes I said this:
"However, those under the red banner who join us this evening are perhaps the bravest of all, as you are willing to stand with us in this trying time and risk so much so that you can help show those gathered that you are not the monsters some would paint you as. "
Iâm fully okay with Kaldorei taking this offensively, my character was there to look after horde interests and I donât expect any kaldorei guild to bend the knee to us.
Anyhow thatâs my little input, hopefully it puts some doubts/confusions aside. For what itâs worth aside the admittedly little stressed session on Saturday where everything got a little overwhelming I did rather enjoy the verbal sparring Erena had with some of your dudes. And Iâd be quite happy to come to blows with you guys in the future.
I reckon most attendees would take the platform given to your character by the Night Elf contingent / hosts as a direct agreement with these lines.
Itâs a direct snub to Tyrande / the Army of the Black Moon, and I enjoyed playing out my characterâs misgivings from the crowd. But, at the same time, itâs definitely something that should expect to elicit a strong reaction from sections of the audience from an OOC planning perspective - given that I assume the speeches were scripted.
Of course, and Iâve never stated that itâs unacceptable for people to object to my characters words. And Iâm fully okay with people getting angry at me IC for them.