Ny'lotha requirements

So first, never raided before, have played wow for little over a year so know very little about it. Tried googling, little to no info about it so far so best to ask about it here then I guess.
Probably gonna mostly raid on this character, so far have progressed it the most and feel most comfortable with it.

So as the title suggest, what are the ilvl requirements for the raid or what is needed in general for LFR, normal, heroic. Mythic will probably never gonna try but really want to the ahead of curve mount so heroic I think had to be done for it.
So yeah, noob requisting help! Thanks in advance!

It is difficult to answer your question. Are you going to pug or are you going with guild/communities? Most players handle the -10 or 15 ilvl requirement of the loot that is dropping in that content. Pugs however can ask whatever requirement, which usually is overgearing (higher ilvl equipped than ilvl loot it drops) the content.

But have fun! :slight_smile:

Oh right yeah forgot to mention that, my guild isn’t a raiding guild, more social so would have to go with pugs.
So if pugs what are usually the requirements, aside from having high enough ilvl? Do I need something else with me, there’s a lot I still don’t know. :sweat_smile:

You are already overgearing LFR and Normal-difficulty, based on ilvl. But it is very good to have some knowledge beforehand of the raid already. LFR is queuable with i think a requirement of 415 ilvl. It drops 430. But at least you can see something of the raid already in an environment which is pretty safe.

Normal is not that different from LFR, except there is more damage. It is more punishing for mistakes. But you are already on a higher ilvl. It drops 445 gear.

Heroic is probably a step up, but when you start with this you have already experience in Normal. Just get a bit more gear and pugs will invite you also faster. Your gear IS enough for starting with it, but a lot of pugs will ask for higher.

Also dont forget to get some food and flasks for buffing your stats through the raid.

I assume there are nice and friendly communities for raiding too, which will probably be a far better nicer experience than with pugs, so when you can find one … :+1:

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Alright this helps out a lot, figured I was more than good enough for the LFR, gonna do it first just to get the idea of the raid. Then give it a go at normal and hopefully then later on heroic with the right group.
Thanks a lot for the help, exactly what I needed! :ok_hand:

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just do a +7 each week. people can hardly go past 460-465 because tf/wf is removed. that might be good for you. with that ilvl just make a raid for each boss and ask for curve (doesnt matter you dont have it) like they all do. and go there from boss to boss and ignore all the toxic hate speeches.

A good benchmark for raiding is the same ilvl as the raid itself. A common myth among players is that raiding is meant to increase ilvl. As someone who pugs consistently I will tell you that typically I clear a raid for weapons - specifically with corruption now - trinkets, and azerite. The ilvl itself is trivial and I do raiding for the massive numerical boost to performance from optimizing gear rather than ilvl increase. It is also helpful to farm the raid twice each week on the two highest difficulties you can, because it increases your personal generation of corruption. Most corruption is worth 10+ ilvls, especially some of the rank 3s. I have rank 3 twilight dev on a 410 ring which I will probably use for the rest of the expansion. There are exceptions to this rule such as gushing wounds and infinite stars, both of which you really only want on max level gear since they scale with ilvl. Gushing wounds is especially powerful for 15 corruption and always worth holding on to since it lets you play tetris with gear and corruption.

For normal, start doing it at 445, for heroic 460, and for mythic, 465 min. 470 is very easy to obtain for mythic raiding, and merely requires you to complete 3-4 m+ 15s for the week. Farming 14s or higher yields 465 gear in the end of run chest and completing a m+ in time yields an extra piece of loot. There are many people who will disagree with this and that’s fine although generally pugging heroic with people below 460 equip simply results in lots of wipes and the run itself taking far to many hours. On average my AOTC heroic full clears take about 4 hours in a pug and 2.5 hours in a guild preform if everyone is on their main. Prior to earning AOTC you should expect to wipe on new bosses you’ve never done and you should, as a hunter especially, strive to learn mechanics and be the mechanics player on fights. For Xanesh volunteer and learn the orb, it’s not that hard and most people can master it on 1 or 2 pulls just look up a video. On Vexiona MD adds. On Ra’den do 1 lightning soak per lightning phase etc. Hope this helped.

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Yeah that helps out a lot too, thanks!
I definitely have to check all the guides, did already watch some like the one about Xanesh. But yeah, always think it can’t be so hard, raiding but then I always get suprised just how much effort in the end you have to put into it. :sweat_smile:

I’d highly recommend finding a guild, it’s the fastest way of getting into raiding and it makes the experience actually fun. Pugging your way up can be done, it’s just not going to be fun, at least not in my experience. There’re many ways to find a guild, be it through websites or making friends in game. It’s always better to take you time and find the guild you think would be right for you, because ideally you’re going to want to stay there for a long time. If you prefer not playing in a guild, i’d still recommend trying to make friends with the people you meet in pugs, wow is an MMO after all and MMO’s are almost always more fun when played with other people.

As for specific ilvl requirements for raids, as the poster above said, it depends entirely on the groups you end up joining, but keep in mind that wow is a hobby/something you do in your free time, so make sure you enjoy the time spent playing it.

I don’t really want to leave my current guild, it’s not a raiding guild which is bit of shame but I do enjoy my time there. I do have another char on the horde side that is about in the same ilvl as this and in a raiding guild(social member there), that character though is a retribution paladin but for raiding not yet that comfortable with it. Don’t want to be a bother to the rest since they take the raiding more seriously.

I’d try to find some people in your guild (if you can) that would be interested in doing dungeons then, and try to get some gear that way. As for raids, sounds like you’re gonna have to pug then, which is not a bad way to do it, but if you really want to get into raiding, i’d still recommend finding a guild to raid with, it just makes the experience so much better. You can still keep in touch with the people from the guild you’re in now.

If you’re going to pug, just be aware, as the guy above me said, that pugs typically requires you to have the gear from the level of content you want to do already. There’re of course some pugs where people are trying to progress the raid, but overall, most pugs are going to have some really high requirements, because people just want to get it done fast.

U can look into raiding communities if u dont wanna change guilds :slight_smile:

Learning to raid in a pug environment is honestly very tough. People are not very patient with new players, and will often flame you for doing the mechanics poorly/doing bad dps. If you’re still going to do it, make sure that you’re ready and don’t expect anyone else to be there to teach you: you have to do it yourself. Learn from your mistakes and steadily improve. After knowing the mechanics for each boss and not failing them, it becomes easier.

The best environment to learn the game would be in a guild that has experienced players who are willing and ready to help you and take you to normal/heroic raids. This way you don’t have to do everything yourself and it is probably the best way to improve. That being said, it can be difficult to find such a guild. You would preferably join a guild that does mythic and also creates social raids which you could join. If you join a guild that is progressing heroic, they’re not likely to make raids for socials and they won’t be the most experienced players either, although not saying they couldn’t teach you something.

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I’ve been reading guides that are available, mostly wowhead and watched videos about the boss mechanics.
Going through LFR right now would be the best, get the best idea of the raid. Right now really just want the ahead of curve mount, from what I understand it’s available until the first patch for the next expansion? And that drops around after summer, so got at least time to learn and gear up enough.

Sounds like an achievable goal. Just remember that LFR often has the difficult mechanics removed completely in order for everyone to participate, so it isn’t exactly the same as it is on heroic/normal where you have to be a little bit more careful. Many of the LFR bosses are merely target dummies that drop loot at the end. Although LFR does give an overall feel for the fight such as the boss arena etc, which can be helpful for the real thing.

Yeah thought so, figured I’d do it once or twice then do the normal too couple of times and then move to heroic, by then should have a pretty good idea of the layout and some mechanics.
I though wonder are groups still going for normal by the time I want to start trying it.

Shouldn’t be a problem. There are usually less normal groups than heroic ones, but they still exist even by the end of the tier. Mainly because they’re a great way for gearing alts, and if you want something non-loot related from the raid, it’s usually easier to just do normal. And, there are of course people who are still trying out raiding and are not ready for heroic yet, so they make normal groups instead.

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Ok thanks a lot for the help, really appreciate it.
One more thing, how long does it take to do full clear per difficulty? It was mentioned full heroic takes about few hours but if I say do the lfr first and they’re a lot more simple, how long on average they take?

Really depends on the quality of your group. I’ll go on a limb and say that most pug groups (especially right now) do not finish the raid, they’ll get to a boss that is difficult and then the raid disbands. But generally the lifetime of pug raids ranges from 2-3 hours at most regardless of what happens, rarely are there ones that go on longer, although it does happen sometimes.

If you want a full clear from the start on heroic, I would prepare to be there for at least 3 hours: although like I said, most groups do not make it that far, and when they encounter the wall, they tend to disband. A group that is a little bit more dedicated might go on longer, but I’ve never been in a pug raid that’s been going on for more than 4 hours.

Probably have to postpone my normal and heroic to summer then after my school ends. :thinking:
As much fun as it might be gotta have priorities. :smile: