Old dungeons in M+

Honestly, I’m not a fan of the decision to use older dungeons in the seasonal M+. I thought it would be a one-time thing due to the content drought at the end of SL, or at least something they’d test for the future in case another content drought occurs again. Or, the old dungeons could be used only in the last season of each expansion. We’re getting some new, shiny dungeons and we’re not going to be able to get the best loot out of them, unless it’s a low HC/M0 gear in the first few days of the expansion. That’s a bad decision for me, you know. We had the opportunity to nonstop farm SL dungeons for like more than a year and a half and only then, when they didn’t release a new raid for Season 4 and introduced the Fated system, decided to try adding the older dungeons in the M+ rotation. I can understand that, but using only 2 of the brand new dungeons and all the others being old stuff in Season 1 of DF? I don’t really understand that and I’m not on board the hype train. I want to explore all the new dungeons on some high keys, even if it’s just for a season or two. What do you guys think about that?

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Agreed. It definitely feels like a desperate move to save either time/money making new ones.

Although there is a lot of old content wasted that definitely could be reintroduced, i started in BFA so any of the dungeons before that would = New to me.

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I agree. I don’t mind reintroducing older dungeons as M+ into new current content, especially towards the end of the expansions where new dungeons are starting to get stale. However, I do think that replacing half of the new dungeons with old ones is a disappointing decision. At least let us experience the new content for a season or 2 before you rotate it out in favour of old content.

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you know that all those dungeon needs to be adjusted and balanced?
It might be about the same amount of Work

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I think most of the M+ community agrees with you, but the devs decided players must not be given the kind of content they want to do and must be forced to do other content instead.

We’ve said enough times that we want all the DF dungeons in season 1, but they’ve chosen to ignore us. There’s nothing else we can do other that ‘vote with our wallets’ and cancel our subscriptions, and I’m not quite unhappy enough to do that yet.

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Having all 8 dungeons at the start poses the Issue that in S2 4 will potentially go away to add Old Dungeons.

Now what if you get a BiS item out of one of the Dungeons that are going away?
wouldn’t that make it even worse?

Now with the “new” approach you will have an entire different loot table for Season 1 and Season 2

And on top of that over 2 Seasons you have 16 dungeons to play in

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I actually am a fan of the decision to use old dungeons in M+. The only thing I am not a fan of is how little is the amount of the new dungeons. SL/MoP 9 vs Legion 13. Even BFA has more (11).
I’d love to have per M+ season 4 new dungeons + 4 old ones = 8 in total
I find 16 new dungeons per expansion acceptable. I will be happy even with 14.

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Wow players- can you stop throwing away all content to never be used again and the game be fully seasonal, as well as allow us to choose what dungeons we want in a poll.

Blizzard- okay we’ll do it

Wow players- BLIZZARD WHY DID YOU DO IT WAH, THE POLL WAS RIGGED, WHY REUSE CONTEXT.

I wonder how you folks are like 30-40 when so many people are immature. I get not liking old dungeons in S1 which is a feelsbad, but as a person who actively does M+ on the higher end having 12+ dungeons like in the past is horrid for actually trying to get KSM,KSH or push keys from so many bloating the pool with a lot of them being walls that are difficult to pass. Having a pool and only non reused dungeons each season as we will fix alot of the problems with M+ as a endgame

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SL had 8 dungeons… DF has 8 dungeons.
The only difference is M+

Yeah, that really sucks. Especially if there’s something like a powerful trinket from one of the season 1 dungeons that’s so good that you end up using it all through season 2 rather than replacing it. (Blood spattered scale, anyone?)

What they should have done is run all 8 DF dungeons every season, plus 2 or 4 old dungeons that rotated each season. The final season of BfA was 12 dungeons and that was a nice number to have in rotation. We should have that all the time.

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But that is something that they don’t want.
I remember Ion Talking about this in an Interview.

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Actually SL has 9 dungeons (So what if Tazavesh is a mega dungeon) and 10 M+ as Tazavesh is split into two. If I remember right season 3 was made of 10 dungeons

We talking Expansion start.
as Tazavesh came in 9.1
SL and DF will have the least amount of Dungeons but the same amount

I will be quite happy if Blizzard make the Legion model work. It is a good compromise it had 13 dungeons and 14 M+ ones. But sadly Blizzard these days don’t make many new dungeons.
The best will be if in the end of the expansion ended with 16 new ones (created)+ 16 old ones for M+(different dungeons for different seasons 8 per season). That is freaking 32 dungeons(I repeat NOT at the same time). But this dream will never happen with current BLizzard.

Personally I like the idea, as long as every patch we get new dungeons too.

If they add all the new dungeons from the start and then start rotating them with older ones, it’s gonna get old really quick again, since we’re not seeing anything new.

Before they added old dungeons, it felt really boring to do the same dungeons all of SL over and over again until the last patch.

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I dont think you represent the M+ at all, no one got time to do that many dungeons to get IO or KSM/KSH. reason why we only have 8 is too many people in legion and bfa hated how many dungeons were needed to run, as well as that much bloat means balancing would be a utter nightmare

Exactly this :heavy_heart_exclamation:

Legion had 14 M+ dungeons and that is to much? Count me surprised. I really like the idea of 8 different dungeons each season. I won’t mind if season 4 don’t have any new dungeons even. But creating 12 new dungeons per expansion should be the norm not the exception

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But that’s exactly the situation they risk creating if they don’t give us any means to replace like with like.

Replacing item with same one just bit higher ilvl is lame. In DF every season will be different.

I wouldn’t mind season one to consist of DF only, but for season two some changes are good.

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