Old Wow or New WoW? This forum is biased to say

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I am going to ignore you and not reply to you if you don’t read fully and jump to reply. The word count is around 500, which is 2 minutes of read time.

(Even after I asked very nicely, you still didn’t read and jumped into the replies).

You have to have an active subscription to write an opinion here. This means that you have to be somewhat satisfied with the current state of the game to pay $15 per month and near $100 per expansion. And if you are satisfied, means you CAN be biased. And the couple of millions of players who quit wow cannot write here their reasons of quitting, and even so, the posts about old wow are having high praise and a lot of support, while posts disagreeing and saying it was nostalgia get ratioed badly and look like contrarian andyism.

It’s so funny that even players cannot express their opinion and only DF players can, the posts like “old wow was better” still get super popular. Try to comprehend for a second what am I saying. It’s like you do a quiz in a racist organization, and 65% of them say positive things about other races. It means it’s not a balanced take, no. It means the ideology got ratioed and is massively unpopular if the quiz is made in such highly biased environment, and gets 65% support.

Now for nostalgia, there’s just 1 argument to shut down all “it was bad, it’s just nostalgia” take. Classic.

People made classic, not blizz. Because when people asked for classic, they said “you think you do, but you don’t.” And forum contrarian andies were celebrating. Until Nostalrius came and it had almost a million playerbase. And now suddenly, blizzard felt the need of having own classic server, which is still going super crazy popular after 5 years. Suddenly they decided not to side with you and your crazy take of “wow was bad.”

If it was nostalgia and it was terrible, then how come 5 years classic is not dying and even increasing the player count? What is this, the longest nostalgia feeling in the human history? No, it’s just you being unable to see what’s good and bad. Imagine what wow would have been today (in terms of player count) if there was no classic.

World of warcraft before was better in terms of the lore and overall theme, and anyone denying it is delusional. You know why I say this for sure? Because in the past of the “masculine” wow times, there were side stories like DF had. There were family hugging loving cuddling stories too, and they were BETTER than today’s ones. How Saurfang mourned his son, how Rhonin sacrificed himself to save Jaina, how Aspects lost their power for mortals, heck the friendship between Tirion and Eitrig, long even Warcraft 3 came out. Thrall’s storry with Tarreta, or Calec’s story with Anvina. There were stories of friendship and hugging, and they were so much better.

So please, if you want to say that you enjoy what WoW gives you today, say it, I don’t want to diminish your fun cuz i have fun too. Dragonflight is an awesome expansion. But don’t come and say how it’s better than before. You look ridiculous.

P.S I am criticizing the take “old wow is just nostalgia, not that great, you guys are exaggerating.” I am not criticizing Dragonflight, for god’s sake… I have to defend dragonflight from defenders of dragonflight because you didn’t read what I wrote here…

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People frequently make departure threads on this forum, stating their reasons be they well written or a toxic rant. Many others never bother with the forums so just leave quietly.

As for bias, of course you’re going to find it on the main retail forum for general discussions. Go to the Classic forums and it’ll be bias for Classic. That’s how specific areas are for literally anything…

Personally I’m sticking with Retail, for better or worse, to always have new content to look forward to. I’ve got zero desire to stick around in stagnant content. SoD broke the mould to this somewhat, but I’ve already invested too much time into Retail to venture out into another MMO – that said I’ve taken year long breaks from WoW without issue to focus on other things.

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Why does it even matter? For some people it was better for some it wasn’t.

You now have classic/retail. You can choose whatever you want.

I personally prefer retail but to each his own.

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Just as you have the opinion that it was better before, others have the opinion it is better now. You can’t be factually wrong on a subjective opinion in what is fun/better. I am not delusional for having this opinion either.

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some loved Star Wars before Disney took over and some loved it after they took over.

depending on your upbringing and when you started your passion.

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Some things were better before, others are better now. Luckily there are several versions to play so ppl can choose the version they enjoy the most. I stick to retail cause thats where m+ is and i can challenge myself in scaling content. If there was no m+ i would probably just quit wow as thats close to the only content i play.

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I don’t get the point of this thread…
It’s opinions, and people liking different things. That’s why people also play the different versions of the games, for different reasons. Neither of them are right or wrong.

Do I like playing retail? Yes, absolutely. I’m having a lot of fun.
Are there parts I dislike? Definitely. I think Blizzard did a horrible job with several things.

Same reason why I personally do like the classic versions.
I’ve played through it all, I don’t want to do it again, and I miss some QoL features that retail has.

It’s all personal preference.

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If you post on the RETAIL general forums, you will get responses from a bunch of people that play retail.

Post on the classic forums something about retail. Dont tell me there wont be any bias at all… :slight_smile:

It is.

All the reasons you post about Classic >> Retail are based on lore and story.

But guess what? You can have the coolest, best story ever… but if gameplay is totally horrendous, people will play it like a single payer game : Play the story and then move on to another game.

And wow would have died 20 years ago as a result.

Dont forget the BASIC premise of ANY game :

Gameplay >>> ALL. With out convenient gameplay, there is no game.

And PS : This is what gameplay means.

  • Combat mechanics.
  • Transportation from one place to the other.
  • Quest design. Not in content, but form. As in : how long do you have to walk to get your objectives? Drop chance of the particular item? Is it repetitive and boring?
  • Gold acquisition and inflation. Basic economics.
  • Systems to interact with others (guilds, LFR, LFG, things like that).
  • Gearing, including borrowed power.
  • End-game content : Is it FUN ?

Ect…

And from gameplay perspective, which as I said is the most important perspective, Retail beats classic by a mile.

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Players can express their opinion, just do it in the right forum. “General” is for Retail WoW.

“Better” is very subjective.
Classic is Better for You, & you have your reasons why.
Retail is Better for Me.
I play a Paladin & they are Better now than they were in Classic, which in turn makes the game better.

By saying that we can’t disagree with your Opinion, makes you the only one that looks ridiculous.

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Hot take, but isn’t that entirely subjective?
I mean… I enjoyed the hell out of the OG classic days, but today I prefer retail over classic. For me personally, the game is a lot better today than it was back then.

For you, the opposite might be true. Neither of us are in the wrong - we just have different opinions.

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When in doubt, ask for their gold!
Can I have your Gold, crafting mats maybe pets? And put up some orders with sparks too!

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Those are my crafting orders, cause I need to whip my guild members every week to put them up for the quests, so no you can’t have them xD

The rest…is open for negotiation.

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Because it costs less and expansions are released in quicker succession than back in the day so there’s less content drought.
The fact that we’ll have “classic DF” one day proves it would simply die if not for new expacs.

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old wow vibe+new wow gameplay

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This is the main Discussion forum for the main game (Retail). Equally there are forums for all the Classic reboots and seasonal variations:-

I would fully expect people on the whole to favour the game version that forum talks about. It would be odd to find someone talking Retail in SoD forum for example. Those that do it tend to be trolls. It’s bizarre to want to go in another forum and go ‘my game is better than your game’. People have clearly found the game they prefer and are playing it.

I am definitely a Retail player. I have gone and tried every Classic variation as they’ve been launched, often testing too. Even my favourite expansion Wrath felt like a let down when I went back to play so for me it was definitely rose tinted glasses. Although not as bad as Classic Era and TBC the game play is just boring to me. However I will be going and to do some Cata Classic with friends when it launches but I don’t have high hopes that it will grab me :dracthyr_hehe_animated:

I think you don’t realise how much the game has evolved and improved until you go back and have to go without. Now, other people go back and are like this is the game I love and miss. They love that slow pace, slow flow combat, easy raids etc etc.

I think the absolute worst for me is the Classic Era type stuff in various formats. Because it’s the same boring quests in each one. Classic questing is a chore for me.

5 years of Classic and the season are getting shorter on the latest Classic expansion. They constantly have to reinvent or do season Classic to keep any interest. And stuff outside of the main interest just dies.

Speaking of bias and worse, misogyny.

Let people enjoy whatever version of the game they prefer without the need to bash them. I’m loving Retail and thoroughly looking forward to TWW. DF was a breath of fresh air and took us back the time before ‘make you play’ metrics were introduced in Legion.

I don’t need to put anyone down for their preferred version of the game, unlike you. Nobody is delusional or ridiculous for playing Retail over Classic (or vice versa).

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Old Wow with some QoLs.

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I think the same way too, my only issue is that people say today’s wow is better. It’s a good game, as of now, Dragonflight is really awesome. But IDK if it’s fair to compare with legion, for example.

Because people go beyond to trash talk about the old wow, diminish the classic experience and advocate for no classic content at all. Remember how hard was it to get classic, even huge creators like Pilav were advocating against it.

Sure, but people bring arguments about how terrible wow was before and how awesome it is now. And millions of players play classic even after so many years, it’s an objective proof that it was a great game. If millions can enjoy a content that was out in 2004, it means it stood its time and is legendary. Notice that I am not saying current wow is bad. I just see so many comments about how the game is perfect now, and how it was awful before, and it’s just laughable.

Remember how hardly we got this? Millions literally had to play pirated wow so that classic appeared.

Is to criticize the opinion that old wow was bad and the current wow is better (in terms of the theme and lore).

The thread is to criticize the opinion that old wow is just nostalgia and it was terrible, not as good as we remember, and that we exaggerate.

I don’t want biased confirmation of what I am saying. I am not a redditor, I don’t need others approval. I am just here to criticize the opinion that old wow was all nostalgia and not as good as we remember. Cuz it’s there, it’s not in the past. We can play it, we can see how good it was.

I have a feeling that if we give the story and lore to independent authors, to people who never played wow, and give them a blind test, the old story will be heavily favoured. I just have that feeling.

I don’t disagree with this.

I can talk about here because I talk about both versions.

I play both, that’s not what I am saying.

This is why I said, don’t reply if you didn’t read.

What opposite? Did you read what I wrote? Cuz if you read, you wouldn’t find anything bad about retail. I play retail mostly too.

This is just cope, I am sorry. That’s not why players play classic. See, I am talking about people exactly like you. Unable to comprehend that people enjoy classic because it’s fun.

My thread is directed to retail players.

Me too.

Did you also not read and jumped to reply?

Ok, so you didn’t read either. Confirmed.

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Too long, didnt read, play what you enjoy, its a game, its meant to be enjoyed. Anything else? Oh yeah, Jaina did nothing wrong!

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Your post wasn’t very concise in getting your message across. However, I think you are saying that posts in this general forum tend to favour Retail WoW. If that is the case, then it isn’t surprising. If you want to talk about how good Classic versions are, then there are forums for those too…

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How to put it… Previous classic fans used to come on here often calling for Retail to become more like classic in the past.

It has been so long now. I don’t remember the arguements brought up that well anymore today. But my impression was basically ‘‘Classic good, Retail bad… Please make retail more like classic’’

And it we argued allot about what it was that made classic so much better than retail… And my impression was always that classic fans wanted a slower and more grindier wow. Where you had to suffer for the rewards. Witch too me at the time didn’t sound very fun at all… They also wanted mythic+ to go away, And have wow return to a raid or die state.

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