Lightforged Undead… This idea was just… 
i still claim that every moment of a lightforged undead’s existence should be pure agony
No, It’s not a matter of perspective, you are evil, period. The Alliance didn’t deserve to suffer nearly as much just because Greymane attacked Sylvanas in Stormheim. How could any Horde player claim with a straight face that they still have the moral high ground after the Burning of Teldrassil?
Oh, but Sylvanas did, It’s fine guys. It wasn’t an evil act, It was a morally grey act. Bye, I got a call from Nathanos who wants me to raise more Kaldorei in Darkshore. Not Scourge 2.0, by the way.
But I am surprised that you do not think that the Horde is evil too, then. Attacking a neutral leader during a world-ending threat. This sure does remind me a lot of what Garrosh and Sylvanas did to Greymane during Cataclysm.
I don’t think players that fell for some dark zombies that had a demon lord as their lieutenant, festering abominations as their heavy troops, dark rangers, and some twisted mindset combined with things like the Blight, would like their faction to be turned into some pious Light cult akin to the one Draenei have or as some slightly modified ingame human kingdom based around the Light.
And those that want to play as that, already have Humans, Draenei, and LF to cover all the bases, so what’s the point?
Another human sub-race? We already have two of those.
So…where does the lightforging come in? I’m reading about rogue Forsaken who don’t like Sylvanas, and who follow the morally upstanding undead we can find, but you are declaring Calia to be an exception. Lightforging doesn’t seem necessary for that story, and if Calia isn’t the precedent we go by, it isn’t something we would expect lorewise.
I’d be much more okay with Alliance undead lordaeronians, if we didn’t have to drag cosmic powers into it that change the rules of undeath.
Humans had enough of Lore. I meant those who were truly neglected like Tauren for example. No reason to add needless stuff that make even bigger lore mess than it is.
Here is a list of reasons why i am against it:
- That would make another Horde related theme to be applied to Alliance
- It would be another lorelol as Light was for years used to fight undeads as they were it’s anathema.
- You brought for example people that were long dead, killed again, and who are already infused with dark powers and affilated with specific group. Which is imo another lorederp scenario and wouldn’t take this faction seriously.
- Alliance already has plenty of Light-related nations. Humans, Goats x 2, Dwarves x 2, Gilneans (?). I don’t see what new Lightforged undead would bring, what their racials would be and how it would improve the lore.
- if they’d look just like humans, then how would it make them attractive, the Alliance races gets lots of criticism because they don’t offer any bigger customisation options (bar KT and Zandalari), but then again the race that Alliance players demands the most is belf with blue eyes.
So I’m not cinvinced. I’d rather if Blizzard wouldn’t make more of them. It really feels like they’re oxymoron.
You and Arctur should marry.
I am Arctur, duh.
Yes’ marry yourself!
No, not since forever. Originally discipline priests were meant to be like monks - fighting in melee.
Then for many years this specc was mostly about absorbing damage while also using shadow specc dots - so shadow word : pain, and fear. Which aren’t void related.
Void stuff emerged only recently in Legion and it was lorebreaking imo as shadow was dostinguish from void theme. Even when you look at the chart you see that shadow magic is separaed from void.
For example voodoo was mostly combination of shadow and nature school of magic - trolls never dabbed with it. I was playing troll priest as Bwonsamdi follower and Bwonsamdi has nothing to do with the void.
Now they toned it down as we have again shadow form and not fugly purple hue as voidform.
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It’s not like forsaken would be going away. You could still stay a degenerate following Sylvanas. This is not a race meant (from my point of view) for forsaken players, but for Alliance fans of Lordaeron.
“The Lightforging” would mainly happen to make them look different from the normal forsaken. I meant in along these lines - the light reforges the form of those already damned, but it won’t reanimate a person already dead for years.
What Horde related theme? The horde raises people just because they can, while this would be undead joining something out of their own free will to redeem themselves.
The characters I mentioned, except Thoras, have not appeared for years. If you think Ataeric would serve Sylvanas out of his own free will just do Silverpine Forest quests. Same with Derek.
And this criticism almost always comes from horde players. Usually blood elf players even. And I don’t my faction to change it’s style or accept a race that doesn’t fit by any means just because horde players want it, thank you.
The Alliance still uses Lordaeron logo for everything, it’s time we finally get something Lordaeron themed. If we can’t get scarlet crusade, this would be the next best thing. And what other race would you want? Sethrak who live in one zone and worship troll loa? Trash Gnomes? Alliance doesn’t have much allied race possibilities, and I honestly don’t see how some random desert snakes or cyborg-gnomes would be better than the legacy of Lordaeron.
Exactly, I would bet all my gold that if a poll on which Alliance players voted for what the next allied race should be, high elves would win by a mile. I’m just trying to find an interesting alternative.
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Bend the lore to follow the optics? No thanks. We already did that with the Void Elves. Never again please. I want to see this kind of thinking banished into the trash heap. They didn’t make up lore to explain the new human model, they shouldn’t make up lore just to give us a new take on a forsaken model.
All allied races are just reskins so far, even the nightborne lost their legion model in favor of recycled nightelf facials.
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Yeah, and they are one of the most popular current races now, overtaking both worgen and dwarves in the number of level 120 characters. WoW lore is just rule of cool taken to the 11. That’s what it is since TBC.
Kul Tirans and Zandalari are hardly reskins. Hopefully the future allied races follow their trend.
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Void Elves are popular because they are the next best thing to real high elves. Not because they are fresh and new. I see them as testing stage from blizzard to see how hard the balance faction ratio could get affected/damaged.
You are in the story forum. A market argument doesn’t cut it here.
And you want to avocate for more of that?
Yeah, because BfA shows that Blizzard is not capable of serious writing. When they write seriously we get characters like current Anduin or Nathanos.
If the current faction war is a testament to how blizzard’s serious writing looks like, I’d rather see the wraiths of a forgotten kingdom raise up for the Alliance in a cool moment that some would call a lorelol than get a “serious” race of trash gnomes/sethrak, who joined because Nathanos teleported to their base and killed half of them. That’s how a serious Blizzard writing without “coolness” would probably look like.
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I see. So… this thread isn’t about arguments, but if we think the idea cool? Well. I don’t think it’s cool, I think it’s stupid.
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Fair enough, I won’t blame you for that. And I already posted my arguments in the posts above.
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And I commented on them. But “rule of cool” was your fallback.