Optional Questmarker will be removed because we should choose with Mods

Because players will always take the path of least resistance, even if it ruins the fun long term.
I imagine the RDF spammers in this forum like Kids, who wanna go to McDonalds (Retail) all the time, and their parent is the Classic Dev Team, who tries to cook veggies and healthy things for them.
It’s the responsibility of the parents to make sure, that the kids stay healthy. If they let them go to McDonalds all the time, one day, they may become obese (classic turned into retail 2.0), and that would be bad parenting.

You can’t stop it anyway - people are going to download adds if they want to have it. If the simple goal is to make sure people who’re new to the game aren’t gonna be given the “quest helper” experience by default, without a conscious choice, turning it off as the default setting for the game is enough. Anything more is just a waste of effort that isn’t going to accomplish anything more than pissing the playerbase off further.

This isn’t WoW2, this is WotLK Classic. The devs really need to stop trying to reinvent the wheel. Or at least tell us upfront if what they really want is a Vanilla-esque WoW2 instead of WotLK Classic so people can know in advance and quit rather than witness Blizz screw things over again. Instead what we get is this constant, pointless flipflop as if the devs themselves are on a wild goose chase and have no idea of what they’re doing.

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No, it is effecticely WoW2, if you haven’t realized by now.
If they make cataclysm classic, I’d like them to redesign the questing experience, etc. based on their classic philosophy, that they have shown. Quest Helper being in the game will make that almost impossible, because then, they will design quests like Retail, and that kills the world. It’s not that the open world died, because they did a graphic update. The open world in retail is dead by design, which was caused by Quest Helper.
You are put into a Stream Line factory as a player, where you pay with your time, and you receive max level.

Its terrifying how much this dude thinks like a blizz … Like you are soooo close to the actual problem and then you just decide to ditch all logic and ruin it for everyone …

Because somehow Vanilla quests can’t be handled by a Quest helper tool? I’m not sure I’m following here.

Then why do devs keep going back and forth with their announcements concerning game content, like they have no clear vision of what they’re doing besides empty and vague philosophical statements?

Maybe because they know that, should they explicitly announce anything like that, they would instantly lose a significant chunk of their playerbase?

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I have leveled so many characters on Classic, literally every single time I have done a quest in a party I’ve seen the questie text pop up in chat. Literally every damn time lmao.

Like it’s actually insane people will argue against this lmao, like who enjoys reading the same quest text the 2nd, 3rd, 10th time. Even the first time around, majority of players never read them lol.

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You are clearly not following, so let’s just stop. You just want McDonalds, and for you everything makes sense as long as it aligns with your big mac dream, and if someone tells you, that it’s unhealthy with a detailed description why, you just show the calories-count, and ignore everything, that was said.

I mean, considering devs already went back on their early decision, yeah I think this discussion is pretty pointless as it is. And the devs themselves have already made it crystal clear they have no idea of what they’re doing here, so no amount of discussion here to make sense of their actions is worth it anyway.

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I just want players to be able to choose. But I guess you prefer to be like mr. “You think you do but you don’t”

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I would ignore this guy, every time I’ve seen his name pop up on wotlk issues he just sounds clueless and is typing nonsense. Probably just a troll.

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Well, sometimes, when the kids cry long enough, weak parents will buy them a Big Mac eventually, so they stay silent.

Like when devs caved in to people crying for them to re-release WoW Classic?

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Which is the main proof that Blizzard doesnt know better, being a parent or not. They also dont know what made the old expansions so enjoyable for players, or else they would already had a different stance when they announced “you think you do, but you dont”.

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Now I’m not following… You don’t want to educate him (us) on how you think the game would be better? Why is that? Cause you don’t really have any good valid arguments to educate us with or what?

Sadly that is all to true. And I think in the end it will come back and bite them in the behind.

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How much of a brain does it take to just look at numbers from back then and realize “hey, we could just copy this thing straight over and everyones’ gonna love it”

Most popular expansion by far.

I literally explained before multiple times. I’m not sure what your problem is

There are different kind of players in every game. Ones that read every text information and listen to every ingame conversation, because they focus on the impressiveness and the story and those who skip any dialog, because they prefer gameplay and action over reading texts.

Why is it better that one group has to go to third party websites and download addons to have a feature that was part of the game, so the players who want to immerse themselves are not tempted by clicking a box and have the feature too? If they want it, they can get it either way.

If the only reason to not put an optional quest helper it in the game is that some players with weak will, not being able to decide if they want it or not, are in fear of their own decisions they might regret later, Id say: just put it in.

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Additionally if Blizzard even wanted that everyone read the quest texts then they should have followed their enlightment that they have already since Beta. That is deactivating the option for instant quest text. Because people would read what is written in the text if the text is comming gradually. But most would skip it if it commes complet together right from the start.

what if i just don’t care since i’ve done these quests a trillion times
you can bet i’ll download an addon that makes me skip the dialogue and show me where to go/what to do

With your mindset it should be alright to have the feature ingame but deactivated and not visible in the ingame options. Players could then use an ingame script command to enable the feature, since new players wont know of this feature and the way to enable it. Those players who google/ask for an easier way to find quest objectives would get the option to copy paste the command instead of downloading an addon on third party websites. It would be similar to the max camera zoom that is not available in the options either.

With your reasoning it should be even more important to not make it an addon, because once new players download an addon, they will use anything for more convenience and know where to get it. You think the longer they dont use convenience addons, the better, right? Then making these players go to third party addon websites should not be preferred over a chat command.

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If you think its only for the initial leveling experience, it should be fine to add the option to enable it for everyone who has at least one max level character, even without a scrip right?