Orc Priests - lore

Dude, it was a serious question to you…

It doesn’t mention Xe’ra, at all. It mentions the “Light Mother”, but again, Xe’ra is the Light Mother in the MU.

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Big problem is that the Naaru transcend dimensions because their ships can do so. So it really could be Xe’ra.

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It isn’t out of lore to say that orcs used to have priests before they got corrupted.

What has DNA to do with Warcraft forces/entities? Are you honestly comparing real life to a fanstasy game? A rather terrible analogy.

This makes little to no no sense. I’m saying the Naaru made the draenei their slaves, and it is only possible because the Naaru are conscious beings.

Nor is it relevant to the point i’m making, a point which you don’t even seem to grasp. I never stated the Light itself is in any way sentient or conscious, the Naaru, who are made of the said Light energies are. And yes, they can do whatever they think is right, in this case - essentially enslaving every race under their ‘‘control’’, so to speak…figuratively speaking, the Naaru see the existence, the universe in one image, in one way, while there are many who see other things, be it the Void, the lving etc. Thus a conflict arises when the Naaru seeks to ‘‘gift’’ em their Light power, by forcing them into that one image.

Isn’t Xe’ra supposed to be dead? How could she reach the AU at the moment we got there?

And still, no mention of Xe’ra so there are only assumptions.

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Funnily enough that’s why my friend can’t take it seriously… the describtion word for word in chronicles reminds him too much of c*caine.

As far as I’m aware pre-corruption they didn’t have any Light-based faith since they revered their ancestors and the elements rather than some higher power. Shamans were their spiritual guides; not priests. While it could be possible that there were Light users with the orcs they would have been rare.

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I do recall that the pale ones… future twilight’s hammer, after being united by Cho’gall did use some stuff like that

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I’m not at home and my data bundle is limited so you’ll have to describe me what happens in the video.

Also at Sinlelnell or however you spell your name, don’t hide behind your likes but defend your point…

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Essentially Dr. Who quote: “People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it’s more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly… time-y wimey… stuff.”

While to mortals the time is linear but it isn’t necessarily so for those who transcend it. From Xe’ra’s point of view the Draenor stuff could have been long in the past.

Your wording strongly implied that. If you wanted to bring up only the Naaru then why did you bring up the Light first?

You could have left out the Light completely and said plainly what you meant then. “The Naaru are seeking to control all those who serve them.”, which would have been wrong since not all of the Naaru are doing that nor do we know if that is even the majority that does or is Xe’ra just part of a fringe group of zealots.

Instead you went on a tirade that the Light corrupts all those wield it and is mind controlling them. Again the Naaru aren’t synonymous with the Light.

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Probaby could have, but i guess a regular joe wouldn’t have understood the point i was making, so fair enough. At best, my wording was flawed, but the point still stands.

“The Naaru are seeking to control all those who serve them.

Figurative speech. In that regard the Lightbound and the Lightoforged are indeed slaves, they see only the point of view the Naaru see and like i’ve stated before the will is supressed and minds altered in Naaru’s image. Which is a form of brainwashing, no matter how you interpret it, call it lesser brainwashing , if you wish. No force or entity should be allowed in a mind to begin with, not normally anyway.

I’ll go with the Naaru transcending multiple dimensions, but I really doubt that there are any sources for the Naaru transcending time.

And to be honest, while I appreciate the discussion, I think we don’t know enough about the Light and the Naaru to assume that Xe’ra traveled for some reason to the AU to create the Lightbound. There are just so many questions we ought to ask ourselves if we claim it to be true, that the whole idea of Xe’ra being responsible becomes unlikely.

Army of the Light is generally described as the Light’s equivalent of the Burning Legion. Battling it across the cosmos. We know that there is only one Legion so it makes sense there would be only one Army of the Light.

We’ve also found Aleria’s arrow there so we know Army of the Light has been there at least once.

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What you were trying to convey through the sentence was an utter failure because last time I checked what’s inside commas is a parenthetical element. It’s a part of a sentence that can be removed without changing the essential meaning of that sentence.

Thusly your meaning of the sentence is “what makes it worse is that Light is sentient a mind of it’s own allowing it to control those who serve it.” and “specifically the Naaru” is simply additional information rather than essential information.

Well we know the Twisting Nether has it’s own flow of time so essentially 1000 years there is about 40-ish in Azeroth. Is it so much out of possiblity that the Naaru ships can transcend time even if not by themselves then through dimensions?

“The draenei capital city is able to transcend dimensions and even warp time itself. What could a sliver of its power do in the hands of a mere mortal?”

  • Shard of Exodar, Mage Legion legendary ring.

Fun fact: When you’re raising a child you’re literally brainwashing them to conform to your world view since you’re teaching them how to behave; what to do and what not do.

Let me ask you question if that holds true. How could the Lightforged ally with the Alliance and work with the Void Elves when Xe’ra literally said: ‘The Light does not treat with the Void. There is no alliance to be made with the Shadow.’? If it is as you said then the Lightforged should have gone to exterminate mode rather than forming an alliance.

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Again, give me a source, I couldn’t find anything.

Sinel: being “described as” doesn’t mean “being equal to”, so that doesn’t say anything.

And for both: I am not necessarily arguing against the POSSIBILITY, I am arguing against it being reasonable that Xe’ra and the Argussian Army of the Light. Even Wowpedia claims that there is probably another Light Mother in the AU.

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It could have been through visions rather than literally coming since the sermons say “The Light Mother has blessed me with visions.”

weekly garrison quests(the one which sends you to shadowmoon burial grounds)

Not necessarily, no, commas can be used simply a way for a reader to pause, to pay more attention to specific part. So in this case it’s not ‘‘a part of a sentence that can be removed without changing the essential meaning of that sentence.’’ I was simply using a comma point out a particular part of the core information.

Fun fact: When you’re raising a child you’re literally brainwashing them to conform to your world view since you’re teaching them how to behave; what to do and what not do.

In a way it is, yes.

A flawed game design indeed, both the Void elves and the LF draenei embody forces that despise and seek to annihilate each other, so yes, they should not both be together in the same faction, yet they are. Further supported by how the LF act in Assaults, as well as the Void elves, it’s pretty unrealistic for them to work together, because the acts of both completely go against each other, not to mention that both powers interacting would be like a nuclear explosion.

I quit during the first month of WoD so I have no idea what quests you’re talking about… if you link the Wowhead page I can look it up.

I also asked others, but they suggest it’s just speculation?

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