Yes exactly.
I feel like we get all the hero gear from Delve vault but we need to burn our selves down grinding to upgrade.
Mythic raid guild members have easier time upgrading gear than Delve players and we pay the same amount every month 
In the end we all did the effort of getting through the content, but Delve players donāt have the opportunity to earn such upgrades as Myth raid guilds do for example or M+ players.
Iām not asking to give us free gear, Iām asking to make such solo content so we can earn it.
And again, and again, and again.
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And againš
Well what do Mythic raid guild need better gear for if they already beat end boss, they can just stop killing it, or game should stop rewarding them for doing it the second timeā¦
That wouldnāt be very nice to them from blizz 
Ultimately scaling delves up further wouldnāt produce content with sufficient difficulty, over tuned melee swings and unavoidable one shots which are just gear requirements do not enticing gameplay make. The 9-11 levels are horrendous content because of how hard it is to balance something thatās so mechanically simple / role agnostic.
For delves to be difficult enough to justify higher rewards and remain enjoyable / somewhat balanced theyād need aspects of difficulty / design that no longer makes them delves. Blizzard have announced a revamp of horrific visions, which seem more suited (With appropriate tuning) to higher level rewards.
Itās like that even in keys though. It takes ages to grind crests for gear levels and then that gear level becomes WQ gear later.
I used Delve gear to get the KSM mount, which is gone for good after this season. If I want higher ilevel gear I can just wait until a new patch. I donāt put effort into stuff I can get for free if I just wait.
CBA having my life flash before my eyes at the end and its 99% grinding crests in WoW.
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I didnāt say that I think that to be a good thing; if there was content where I could get the mythic mogs by solo playing, Iād do so immediately - but the argument is usually that solo stuff is too easy to give good gear, while M+ is hard enough to give max lvl loot.
Well, I donāt agree that that is a valid argument. 
Anyway, my point was just: Why is it okay to tell someone to āgo play an altā in this situation, but not in a M+ situation?
Oh and donāt get me wrong: It wasnāt an argument towards you specifically. Iām just raising this issue of double standards that exists, in general.
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The difficulty of the open world does not go up. The difficulty of M+ does. More gear means higher M+ dungeons doable. Higher gear doesnāt mean WQās are now doable.
With 620 gear you smash the open world already. You do not gain anything from more gear.
M+ has a score attached so higher dungeons done means more score. You do not get a score for WQās.
This has nothing to do with double standards.
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Iām fine with that cap. Itās miles above what I was used to in Dragonflight. At most I had full veteran gear and if I was lucky with timewalking weeklies, a few champion-pieces. If I was really lucky, I got champion-pieces I was able to use at the catalyst.
This char is almost 619 in all slots, when there are no more progress to be made on this char (outside of mythics which I have no interest in), I start gearing another char.
Youāre done
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyFQVZ2h0V8
I feel like it can go any way honestly, buff, nerf, keep it as is
Reasons why theyād nerf: they might think hero gear is too strong for delve rewards
Reasons why theyād buff: it doesnāt give enough enchanted crests to justify giving hero track gear on the vault, thereās no difference for non weapon slots (you are saving your gilded crests for your weapons right?) between hero and champion if all you do is delves
Reasons as to why itād stay the same: it giving hero track gear but not the crests to upgrade them might mean theyāre trying to lure delvers into dungeons and raids for that final crest tier
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Yeah getting my key to +8 on druid was horrible at the start of this month. I had like a 6 and it went down to +3, 610 tank oneshotted by 3 mobs in a 4. 620 2k score healer facetaking 1st boss fixate.
It is legit easier once you get at +8
you know why rewards dont scale above +8 ?
because its endgame for this content, man 
you have reached endgame gg have a cookie from me 
youre donzo with delves until the next tier 
my guy
1 what do you need better gear for if you arent pushing endlessly scaling content
2 if you have time to clear 2 delves you have time to pug a +8 or a +10
3 ye everything above +10 is āunusedā content even tho its higher difficulty since it doesnt drop aynthing better so its not only 9-11 delves like you said.
I have no problem with Delves offering higher ilevel, and better crests than they do currently, if they buff them so that they are actually challenging. A tier 8 delve already feels insultingly easy vs a +8 key, or a raid.
If they donāt buff them, but do offer higher rewards from them, you can guarantee raiders and mythic plus key farmers will walk through them for these items, hurting the 2 game modes we actually want to play.
Do higher content that rewards gilded crests then.
If you just solo around, you are perfectly fine on 619.
If you want more, you have to play the games content, that gets you there and start playing with other people. Mythic+ +8, last 2 raid bosses on heroic and mythic raid gives gilded crest and mythic path gear(m+ only from 10 keys and raid only from mythic raid).
So if you want to progress further, that is what you have to do. If you donāt want to, well, your progress journey is over. And 619 is perfectly fine for solo content.
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The difficulty of delves does.
Yes it does.
Canāt manage a +12, because you need gear from a raid? Just go gear an alt.
Apparently thatās the solution.
To be fair; i have no problem with more rewards from delves when the difficulty goes up.
That is exactly what we are doing, or we quit. So i do not see the double standards.
The difficulty of delves doesnāt go high enough to justify the gear it drops currently, nevermind higher. Iām all for delves dropping better gear and more crests, if they come from harder tiers, Perhaps offer 12 and up Delves for this purpose.
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gonna play devils advocate here for a moment
delves go up unto 11 but the rewards stop at t8 wdym what do you need it for,
for t9 to 11 obviously come on man wake up, lock in.
m+ is made unfun for me by mechanics like key degerdation, affixes, random pool (its the first season just put all 8 new dungeons in you knobheads at blizzard) timer, so no it is actually not an option if they want me to keep playing the game cause that will lead in me redirecting myself to the unsubscribe page.
Except delve scaling isnāt infinite like m+ so it actually makes less sense that rewards stop before the difficulty cap, where it does for m+ because what are you going to do, keep rewarding until people are at the avg ilvl for the next expansion?
devils advocate off
no offense but the arguements are dated and donāt hold up to scrutiny either.
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