Yes, we pay the same amount every month. And? I pay as much rent as my neighbor and we live on the same floor, does that entitle me to also have sexual relations with her friends? I pay the same rent, after all, and it´s practically almost the same apartment…
On a more serious note
You say you only want the crests, and that I´m totally on board with, but then you turn right around and search for more justification to give myth track gear for delves… “because we pay the same amount”…
And by that reasoning, simply existing is now the only justification needed for rewarding myth track gear, because the AH goblin that only flips mats all day also pays 13 quid a month…
That said the only bracket that can “easily” get 639 gear is specifically mythic raid. And referring to mythic raiding as as “easy” is, with all due respect, more than just slighty dissociated from reality… If it`s so easy, why exactly did the top 4k players in the world need collectively 8 weeks to clear it, despite there being Mythic guides available 2 days after the RWF ended 7 weeks ago? Is it in fact “maybe” more than just color by numbers and loot?
re M+, Running 10s for the vault is always a crapshoot, and after 3-4 weeks it becomes everybody’s “weekly disappoinment box”, with the excpetion of Dratnos.
But more importantly, in both case, the difficulty of the content being completet to get that gear far surpasses that of 11 delves, with current scaling maybe a 20 would be comparable… but then, partly also because of the stupidly simple and class /role agnostic mechanis, every sneeze from a critter would onehit even a 639 Guardruid with 4 ironfur stacks and Ironbark up.
As I´ve said before, myth track just needs to be removed entirely, cosmetics only for <10s and Mythic raid, problem solved.
But then people will complain that that´s the only reason they play the game
most likely m+ players will never be full myth geared
the chance to get 16 weeks in a row an item that would be an upgrade becomes slimmer and slimmer with every filled slot.
with the amount of bad trinkets and useless stats the chance to receive a good item is rather terrible.
yes you could get an ilvl upgrade more frequently if you dont mind to crap all over your stats. the way it is for some specs is that you would lose dmg by equiping a higher ilvl pc with terrible stats
It’s the cap I’ve set for myself, I am currently absolutely lowballing t1 delves (its like doing a legacy dungeon man its basically 45 free runed crests). The answer is yes also, I’ve personally cleared a t11 back nearish 600, but I wouldn’t say it was a smooth run and I had to apply many cheese strats in order to get past certain groups, the recommended ilvl is also much higher then 619, so if you say that do you need more then 619 to clear t11 delves? not me personally, but Blizzard seems to think so, because if t8 is 600 rec. ilvl then t11 definately is higher then 619 and if I’m honest going by how I experienced the t11 and ilvl 600 yeah its definately not ideal and obviously you’re expected to have a bit more punch behind your character.
Doesn’t mean people can’t complete it at lower ilvls, meeting the recommended ilvl has never been a hard requirement to complete content, just makes it easier. By that logic you might as well say well why would idk a mythic raider need mythic raid gear if the best in the world can complete it in heroic gear, the arguement ‘what do you need it for’ itself makes no sense, because the answer is always nothing, because this is a videogame we play for enjoyment. I need air, I need water, I need food, I need a roof over my head. I’d like entertainment and for delves to allow progression beyond t8 so my season experience doesn’t get reduced to farming runed crests from week 2. The problem feels like delves are designed to push you for different content (rewards hero track without the crests to upgrade them) while I would like them to be designed as a thing in themselves. Also, if anything, this is not me asking to make things easier either, this is me asking to treat a seperate track of the mythic+ vault as actually seperate.
My main content mode is RP, anything that distracts from RP is genuinely wasted investment on my end. Raids mostly take place during RP time so they are off the table simply because I enjoy RP more then raiding to get into my case specifically, but this answer would differ person to person (playing devils advocate and all).
And I disagree, t1 delves are very easy, I bet not even buying a carry would be easier then t1 delves, they’re a very nice low investment way of getting the 6 coins in the vault once you have the items you want to upgrade. Otherwise I burned out from pugging way back in Legion, have never pugged ever again, will never pug ever again. I would sooner unironically quit the game then touch a pug group ever ever again. I cannot describe to you my revulsion against the idea of a pug group, the english language does not have the words to describe it.
Then by that logic why would mythic raiders need anything more then what the worlds best clear mythic raids on? considering most of those raids get nerfed after the fact too, why does anyone need more then heroic track gear?
This is me playing devils advocate again, I can’t stress enough how bad this arguement is because if you take it and run with it you end up with takes where everyone loses.
And no, its not that I need a boost, but a t11 run did take me a long time at ilvl 600 and it was literally a case of blowing all my cooldowns so I can survive killing one mob in a pack to make the damage income manageable and between every pack it was a wait for full CD recovery of spells like lay on hands with a 7 min CD. a t11 at ilvl 619 is harder then a t8 at its recommended ilvl, which to me tells me that the recommended ilvl for t11 would’ve been higher then 619 if they actually tried to put a number to it.
I agree, I’d simply like if they freed up even more by not trying to use delves as an incentivizer to push people into raids or dungeons for the gilded crests and that truely is my main issue, they are rewarding gear that you cannot reasonably expect to upgrade doing exclusively the content in which it is rewarded. And rushed content it was, I am having infinitely more fun in it then the last handfull of PuGs I joined back in legion so… still a better experience then the alternatives on my end, really.
My arguement was ‘why would anyone need higher gear then the best in the world use to clear it before massive nerfs’, nothing about being full mythic or full heroic, my arguement holds even if they’re half mythic geared or only are 1 item away from mythic.
I agree, I like doing them as a source of progression and it is definately still going to get changed cause first itration
A shame it’ll probably be affixes and a timer again, but that might just be me dooming.
“oh he rps he must not know how to articulate his arguement”
clown take my dude, maybe valid back in 2007, not anymore
And it wasn´t necessarily supposed to… hence the immediately following “on a more serious note”
Maybe it´s a language barrier, as I do not know where you are from. But a statement like the following has nothing whatsoever to do with crests or upgrading, but is instead entirely a complaint about everyone else but delve players having “Easy” access to Myth track /639 gear, regardless of the numerous falsehoods already contained in that statement allone…
And therefore it is hard to value such a statement as anything other4 than attempting to justify why delve players should also have access to myth track gear, especially when you then cap it off with the classic “we pay the same amount every month”, which has always been the quintessential entitled WoW player’s battle cry for getting rewards for nothing.
But we have now established that that was not your intent, so I can only assume that your choice of words was misguided. Ok, no biggie, things happen.
Whether you wanted to or not, you inadvertently did, or it was at least to be reasonably assumed that it was heavily implied after you muddied the waters with that statement
And that is where this issue arose from. Because AFAICT Nobody has a problem with delve players getting gilded crests for upgrades, it´s merely a debate about how many is reasonable. And any number above 5 for an 11 is Imo not reasonable, and aven those 5 can be hotly contested. Because whether you want to see it or not, delves are significantly easier than any of the 3 pre-existing pillars of endgame you listed, and play harder, better and and longer to get better loot is IMO still an absolutely fair system
That statement seems plenty clear to me, Furiz doesn’t want myth-track gear, but does want the crests to fully upgrade hero-track gear, and not end up stuck at 619, where the crests go from runed to gilded.
I personally think being stuck because my gear can’t be upgraded any more (It’s at max rank) feels less annoying than being stuck halfway because the crests i need are very scarcely available (Only from chests from those “Delver’s bounty”-maps), it’s the same thing in practice, but it feels worse this way.
you can swap 6 vault tokens for half spark and you get half spark each week from a quest, what do you mean you need 16 weeks of luck?
btw: (already enchanted) runned crests are literally given away for each maxed renown achievement so you save a lot of crests you can exchange for gilded instead, and you can farm lower value crests and exchange them up to gilded as well. Unlimited, since they have no cap…
just admit you screwed up your character progression, and you want it magically fixed. It will all be easier.
But we wont raid or do mythic, if we would raid now we would have done it already. I don’t think they expect that. They wouldn’t be doing Delves then.
I think they wanted to explore the option for solo players. And if you ask me they did a great job, I really love Delves.
Just needs few tweaks, we get gear we can’t fully upgrade. So we need better access to Crests, and they need to work on difficulties , maybe add some more mechanics to end bosses on higher tiers etc.
it kinda doesnt since you are comparing a highly coordinated and timelocked contend to delves… so the argument was not valid in the first place i just wanted to have some fun with it
well you are arguing for your sidehustle which is also blizzards sidehustle to be more meaningful than it should be ofc you will get pushback, nothing to do with rp here. its as if i would complain about petbattles and im mainly playing dungeons kind of thing
you can eventually cap the high-tier crests, ofc, but until you do, you can keep farming the lower tier and exchange them—90 for 15 from the lowest tier up to gilded. It will take some time, but if you don’t do any other content you have nothing else to do anyway.
