Paladin DPS

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Looked at the logs for that run the logs are split so its kind of messy but his damage is mediocre at best, he is in last quarter of dps in a mediocre guild and using twice as many consums as anyone else in the run

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LOL. What utility does the ret have that holy doesn’t? Exactly nothing. Applying nightfall debuff is the only thing they can contribute.

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I play paladin and during lvling you can make two phases. Before and after Ravager.
With Ravager and cons you do way more dmg on aoe than anyone but after every 1or 2 pulls you have to drink.

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You underestimate the stigma of ret my friend. There’s 1 single reason why nobody is using rets. Since 2013 it’s been drilled into people’s heads (courtesy of Feenix WoW’s broken AF client) that ret is a “dead” or “meme” spec incapable of working anywhere.

Like anything else that gets stigmatized, nobody (including you) bothers actually fact checking the stigma, you just go along with it.

Also, “good” guilds don’t post logs on warcraftlogs. Those are the logs of tryhards/elitist/world 1st chasers.

Good guilds just play the game, they don’t upload stuff to warcraftlogs xD

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Don’t expect to get into raid groups as ret. I imagine you’ll need already good gear to get into Strat runs etc… Make your life easier by going holy or playing something else

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All things considered, performance wasn’t bad.

Nothing special, but not terrible. Some fights had some gungho dps alright.

Their raid performance as a whole wasn’t super stellar though.

(Skimmed through most of the trash) Gotta say I laughed out loud at Raggy when I saw the knockback though. Quite a few people getting the short end of the stick there :stuck_out_tongue:

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that is hilarious

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Paladins won’t be top of the meter if not for some extreme proc sprees.

The strength of a Ret is still being a decent dps while providing support.

  • Adds attacking clothies/healers? No problem.
  • Need to keep up that mana/heal judgement? Ok!
  • Is a team mate in need of some more healing? BASK IN THE GLOW!
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You rly think the best guilds in the world havent fact checked just about every aspect of the game including rets?

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If you need taunt, something already went wrong. Either the tank did not manage to built up enough aggro or the DPS overaggroed.

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Not good, they guy shown in that twitch Ragnaros kill is barely touching top 15. It’s dominated by mages and rogues. If you want to dps in Classic, choose rogue, mage or warrior.

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First of all that requires some mythical ideal circumstance.

Secondly many bosses require you to taunt, period.

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You need to realise that different classes scale differently as gear improves, as does different encounters favour different classes. Nor should your singular focus merely be the damage meters (it’s far less important in classic than later).

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priest are the number one on this game. paladin are just very nice healing tanks on naxxramas.

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Incorrect.

Priests have the best variety of heals but paladins are overall the strongest single target healer in classic and once you’re past the dungeon stage of progress and into raids where you have multiple healers to heal your raids, it’s ALWAYS advantageous to have paladins on tank healing duty. No matter if it’s MC, BWL, AQ or Naxx as you say.

Edit: Unless you’re horde, then you have to make do with priests since shamans are inefficient at tank healing. Chain heal makes them the best raid healers though due to the fact that chain heal is a ‘smart’ heal - always jumping to those who need it.

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It’s in the old patch notes. I remember reading it back in the day, and thinking it would be so OP if a Paladin could tank just by healing :smile:

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The best guilds in the world don’t care about anything that is not 100% #1 dps/tank/heal.

Nobody is screeching “RET BEST DPS IN THE GAME”. Nobody is disputing the fact that the kings of pve are mages, warriors and rogues dps-wise.

I’m telling you that ret is not a bad dps spec. It’s a good one. It’s no rogue/mage/warrior. It will never be. But it’s not bad. It’s just not #1.

Which also means that no hardcore world first guild will ever use it, but also means that semi-hardcore or casual guilds shouldn’t bash on ret paladins, because the game (outside naxx) is designed around having ~15-20 capable players carry the other half of the raid for the most part, and chances are the ret paladin might become one of the top dps inside the guild, or an amazing piece of utility as well as the nightfall user.

Gear matters, dedication matters, skill matters, preparation matters.

No reason to bash a class/spec that can reliably do acceptable (read: good, but not insane) damage while providing tons of utility and giving you the option of entertaining different supportive roles (spelladins being able to dps hard but still serve as an off-healer for example).

If 3 healers die, what’s your rogue gonna do to keep the tank alive? Bandage him? Right.

Meanwhile, spelladin is your bro in arms and helps keep the tank alive while having otherwise contributed well dps-wise the rest of the fight.

It’s a case of “are we farming this stuff daily? Then we don’t need to care about having a dps that isn’t a rogue/mage/warr, so might as well have said dps” or “are we gonna count on smashing everything with zero surprises, or do we want to have 1-3 spots dedicated to hybrid roles incase things go south”.

In both cases, there’s a pro to bringing hybrids like spelladins (ret with spell damage) and the only con might be that you lost a tiny bit of potential extra dps, instead gaining extra security and more ways of fighting against surprises in your raid.

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So if ret isn’t bad dps - what’s worse? It’s like when people say Warriors aren’t bad at leveling - ok, who’s worse?

Being bad dps doesn’t mean they don’t do any damage, nor that they don’t bring other useful things. Just that they do less dps than other dps-specced characters, all else being equal.

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Means absolutely nothing on Rag. The mechanics of the fight is such that melee have to run in and out of melee the entire fight, while casters can stand still and nuke without ever having to fear pulling aggro.

Melee will be far behind. On top, Retpaladins cannot really stack with the other melee which means they lose out on group buffs such as Trueshot Aura.

I have played the same build as Judgement in MC, BWL and AQ40 on a Private server myself. I was often in the top 10 for DPS. If you want to play a meme spec, you need to try hard. The trick is find a guild that do not minmax as hardcore as the top guilds and if you are willing to go all in, you are easily a big asset to THAT guild’s roster.

In any case, Retpaladins do a lot more DPS than people will have you believe. It’s easily the top DPS spec out of all the so called memespecs. It’s just expensive to play, but that does appeal to some players and if they are willing to meet the consume requirements, then the spec will do just fine.

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Classic? Can’t answer that and still early to say. On vanilla it was a dude called Esdfan. There is video evidence of him topping the meters. Yes there probably were some mitigating circumstances but on the whole he knew his stuff and the people he was with did too.

Yeh you are right it requires easily double the consumables to pull that off. But that’s their problem, right?

Min/max guilds go for min/max solutions and the playerbase tries to imitate. That isn’t evidence that ret must therefore be trash. It’s just these top guilds are pushing hard and there’s no argument mage/hunter/rogue can push harder. That doesn’t mean a ret is gonna hold you back and stop you getting things done.

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