I go PvE with PvP talent/gear and do no damage??? Blizzard fix this INSTANTLY.
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This is you right now, in terms you can understand.
There is no nerf shamanâs post because atleast you can kill them, and donât go invincible while you continue to kill them 
Purge / dispel
I think the twisting and stacking mechanics are terrible, there is no alternative to playing as a paladin, you need to press 5 buttons to deal damage. I donât understand why Blizzard wonât give something like wind fury and slightly increase the damage from abilities. Why do other classes press 3-4 buttons and kill, but I have to play the piano? Hunter, shaman, druid, mages press 2-3 buttons and win. All ranged classes need a 30-40% damage nerf. When will Blizzard pay attention to this huge problem?! Tank shaman with ench skills do damahe more than ret paladin! Hunetrs did 2 kill shots and u die. Delete starfall from the game! Its realy looks loake a joke. Infinity controls from rogues and poison delete 2500 armorsâŚ
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Lol. You really donât know the game youâre playing itâs hilarious.
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there is no alternative to playing as a paladin, you need to press 5 buttons to deal damage
5buttons⌠You talking about the blessings then⌠âSealtwistâ Is basically a castsequence macro of 2 Seals =1button, Crusader strike and judge, its 3. Far less than most other classes.
Infinity controls from rogues and poison delete 2500 armorsâŚ
Blizzard should REDUCE the dmg of the paladins abilities, make all your melee spells physical dmg while at it, seeing you talking about rogues ignoring armor 2500armorâŚ
Paladins ignore everything and there is 0 resistance against Holy.
Why do other classes press 3-4 buttons and kill, but I have to play the piano? Hunter, shaman, druid, mages press 2-3 buttons and win
Bubble 12sec can still 100>0 any target, even with 50% reduction.
You know why you die against hunters? They use Rapid fire with killshot 1time every minute, just bubble it.
Mages? Bubble it nuke them, if not dead within bubble, freedom pony 1shot it.
Druids? Hoj starfall if trinket Repeteance bubble and kill it.
Shaman? If you cant kill a shaman as paladin you either got green gear or forgot half ur spells in the spellbook. Tip: Dispel Flameshock bubble kill it.
Paladins need a big nerf in pvp for real, been too overtuned since p1.
Try play any other class and see how you manage vs a paladin, youll probably quit the game.
Purge is the downfall of ret paladins, any ok geared shaman win vs ret. Shockadins is a different fight, they have no counter.
Those guys need a nerf in pvp for sure
Sealtwisting need to delete from the game. But retri paladin hit by exorcism 1100 crt dmg, jug 1300-1500, mage ice lance 2400, shaman lava burst 3000 +, fireshock 1200 and 200-400 dmg dot , druid 3600-4000 starfire and starfall 300-800 dmg per sec! , hunters chimera shot 2k, kill shot 1800-2600, SP mind blast 3000 +, all range classes need hard nerfs, paladin should be stay near for dmg, range classes push 3 buttons and win! Shamans tank kill u with fire and earth shocks and shield with dagger. Shaman tank take 400 dmg and give 2400 lavaburst xD B-balance game. When u play BG u can see horde players, only elems, boomie, hunters and SP, warlocks tanks with terrible dots. all range classes.
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Why is it always only purge getting mentioned when priests have a clearly better dispel.
Is it maybe because cleanse hits them in the nuts as well?
Letâs say tomorrow all shamans lose purge, what does a shaman even have against a paladin at that point? A class that can cleanse any magical effect- thus removing shaman slows/dots, much better mobility(remember no more purge to remove freedom) aka - no kiting whatsoever.
Shamans will only have an interrupt over paladins, something paladins barely need or use with two CCâs at their disposal.
This grudge against purge seems to me like such a petty thing, it betrays the hero complex of so many of the frequent paladin posters, as if only their class should be the only one not countered by any other class.
Purge IS meant to counter a lot of things the paladin does, it is an intended weakness. This whining about purge just seems like a tantrum that not every class can be steamrolled.
Guess what, some classes get steamrolled by just about everyone right now. If any real PvP balance patch is ever going to happen in SoD - paladins and elemental shamans, balance druids can take their spot at the back of the line when it comes to fixes or buffs, anyone that doesnât know this either hasnât touched PvP since P3 or is arguing in bad faith.
So Iâve read a lot of the comments on threads like these, and done my bit to empathise with paladin players. Reading their responses you actually learn theyâre the victims in all this. Turns out thereâs some things that are seemingly unique to them and they might actually need moreâŚ
- First off, ranged classes - all of them. If the paladins defensives and gap closers are on CD, they actually get kited. When you look at this through the eyes of a paladin you do realise this is bad game design and range should never actually have the chance to kite or use their ranged advantage against them. Donât bother bringing up bubble, weâll just ignore you or remind you theyâve actually been nerfed.
- Next, you donât actually realise there are other classes that are OP. Boomkins, Hunters and Ele shamans are actually capable of killing paladins, which isnât ok. They also all fall under the first point too. Itâs far more important to address these classes first because any paladin will tell you theyâre actually OP but palas just have âhigh burstâ.
- Purge - this is a stupid skill. It removes their seals which are essential to paladin combat. Seals and seal twisting should be unable to be countered. Itâs also unimportant as to whether the shaman is doing anything else during this, theyâre ruining paladin DPS.
- No mobility - ignoring the in combat mount (of course, itâs too short. Shamans get a 15sec sprint), freedom, bubble and cleanse. Theyâre called the wheelchair class for a reason, they never actually catch any of the targets theyâre chasing. From what I understand, this is the main reason they HAVE to be able to kill anyone and everyone in a global, maybe 2 if weâre going to push it⌠maybe.
- Finally the only reason theyâre actually able to global people is because theyâre all using a combo of set bonuses and the AQ set shoulder ench. Theyâre basically a house of cards theyâre so fragile. Once again, ignore bubble.
Now, once you actually take the time to absorb all this information youâll understand that weâre all wrong. It doesnât matter whether theyâre the most complained about class currently and that everyone wants them nerfed. We need to learn to play around them and their limitations. They cannot have a diverse playstyle for each class, all they can do is Rep > HoJ and Delete.
Weâre the problem.
EDIT: I thought I was being obnoxiously sarcastic when typing this. The amount of paladins liking this makes me wonder if it came across as serious or if Iâm being trolled.
Killing anyone in 1 GCD is ridiculous, and paladins have a great toolkit to not be kitted 
⌠Just to be sure
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I have never read something more BASED and beautiful coming from a Shaman player in my near 20 years of Classic. You, good man, have earned the respect of all Alliance.
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It is a pity that blizzard does not watch forums and does not listen to the opinion of the community
This is like reading some sort of tilted addicts /self infuriating anonymous group
Guys sorry but I have to ask this, are you all OK in the head?
Did the talented team behind sod not admit to having more interested in a KFC mega bucket rather than sod pvp?
Are you new to sod and not seen the state of pvp through the phases?
sod pvp is baaaaad mkay
The devs would rather go on a diet than work on sod pvp.
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did anyone notice how wavĂŠ stopped spamming the forums crying about how paladin is in dire need of buffs and shaman is OP?
what does that tell you, young human?.. what does the silence of the paladin, tell you now?
That both classes need nerfs?
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Paladins need UP!
Ice lance spamers (2600-2900) new bug meta!
still are but hey blizz only listens to the s on horde 
very cool to allow this circus going
people should be shocked you are still talking trash and cant back it up.
Ret palas are worse than actual cancer irl
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No, its ok when range classes kill all with 2 buttons 
when i with might of menethil do crit in hunter 800, hunter hit me 2600 with killshot and chimera shot 2100, its very funny. Holy magic have no resist xD. Hit to rogue 1100 crit, ambush in plate armor 2k. Its a joke.
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Ok, so Iâm gonna help you and every other paladin out here. Itâs not ok. Itâs not ok for you, itâs not ok for the mages getting 1 shot, itâs not ok for the priests being deleted by hunters and itâs not ok for the rogue and wars facing the same problems. Ok? Itâs op and busted.
So you see how pretty much every class outside of hunters are agreeing that itâs overturned and stupid gameplay? (Iâve even seen a lot of hunters agreeing) LOOK AROUND, have just a fraction of the capability to think critically or logically - and this goes to any paladin main who is defending this BS. Everyone is in agreement that hitting 6-8 attacks in 1 GCD is absurd for full dmg. No matter the class. If there was a rune which made WF hit twice for every proc every class would agree the same way.
Go on either forum, us or EU and everyone is complaining about paladins suddenly globalling everyone. Because apparently overnight rets went from fine (or glass cannons running this setup) to just deleting everyone. This shoulder ench was designed for a prot pala set, not 2h DPS.
Anytime I see people bring this up all of you morons just lose your collective minds complaining about classes and abilities that practically EVERYONE agrees with while refusing to give any understanding of how other players are experiencing your class.
And I wish this would sink in to everyone, better yet anyone. Games, (especially MMOs) should not be balanced with the top percentage of players in mind. Players of all capabilities should be able to play PvP or any other form of the game. The whole âgit gudâ or âskill issueâ argument is the biggest indicator of someone who has no understanding, besides their own experience of the game. If enough noobs are complaining about something in the game, thatâs just as valid as pros moaning about the state of the game. Because if they stop playing, the good players who invested the time and energy into the game are aboard a sinking ship.
This isnât an issue of imbalance. Imbalanced is boomkins placing 2 dots and starfall to kill someone or ele shamans spamming flameshock and lava burst to kill groups with rng and brain-dead aoe. Both of these things put these classes as heavily favoured in most of not all their PvP combat scenarios.
Paladins are currently capable of negating all long term investment people have put into their characters.
After ranking as an enhanced shammy to r14, I actually enjoyed the grind even if my char was unable to deal with players who were better geared or when I would have to put much more effort into counter playing others. I find challenging gameplay fun, believe it or not. But literally the week before getting r14, paladins with a handful of T1/T2 and their new shoulder enchant were relieved of any critical thinking or skillful play. Phase 7 effectively turned rets into high lvl elite mobs with thrash. Thereâs nothing dynamic about the gameplay, nothing skill based. Every single paladin has been reduced to the same tier of gameplay. Good paladins donât stand out because all of them hit crusader strike and delete their enemy, and if they donât kill them first time round theyâll kill them the second. Most of the classes have different phases of gameplay, swapping from a defensive phase to aggressive. Warrs have things like disarm, shield wall, equipping a shield and defensive stance. Casters and ranged will swap from prioritising kiting skills (frost nova, frost trap, death coil, barkskin and on and on) to their dmg. Paladins have the same answer for every situation against every class. Rep (> HoJ if trinket) > seals > crusader strike. Then bubble in case of emergency. Paladins have such a variety of abilities that never get used because thereâs no need, itâs boring. Same as ele shamans and frost mages ATM imo.
But because all you gold fish brained palas will have forgotten what I said at the start of this essay. Yes other classes have BS tuning too, but youâre a cut above the rest!
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