Paladins rise up !

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I’ve been observing for weeks now day after day in the paladin forums if there is a developer commenting on upcoming paladin changes but nothing.
To all paladins who would like to know what happens in the future with the paladin if we see changes or will he stay as he is.
Help me to push this post to the top so we finally get an answer. I want to know if there is hope for the paladin or if I have to change my class.
I would like to see over 300 comments and views here so we finally get a blue post and if a post like “Rate that Transmog” creates over 300 comments then we’ll probably do at least the same about something that really matters!
I say thank you in advance to the people who helped here!
#paladinsriseup

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#paladinsriseup
I had waaaay more fun as Retribution /holy and prot in legion i miss Adaptation trait few dmg traits and mostly divine tempest=ranged divine storm wake of ashes on 30 sec cd buff to crusade /cough i need my soul of highlord legendary with back i feel like i lost wheels on my wheelchair.

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I feel you brother ;(

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Divine tempest should return. The abillity to aim your aoe in distance was very cool. Since vanilla , that was the best passive effect ever added over aoe damage. Personal opinion

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yeah it was really cool and i think that was the reason to remove it blizzard don’t want us to have fun :confused:

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Lack of cleave is serious issue . We are dead last on dps in uldir yet blizz acts as if all is oke .

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the problem with ret paladins is that they have the hardest time to tune the spec, if we are strong, we are deemed OP by the rest of the community that just hates ret paladins, and the devs ride the wave of retardation and nerf us (hell, we even get nerfed when we are weak, of course we get nerfed when we are strong), but other classes are alowed to be op doing more damage, having more utility and nothing is done to them.

well dont get me wrong, i dont like asking for nerfs, i would rather ask for buffs, but as always we get the silent treatment, cause in the eyes of bilzdevs we are fine, nicheless class that doesnt excel in anything or any scenario with subpar utility and no raidwide presence, awesome, thats not what a paladin is supposed to be.

we always had something great to bring to a raid / dg, we had blessing of might, wisdom, we had replenish, we had sanc aura, we could fear a undead and instant baseline repentance, we had divine intervention that a unique wipe recovery skill, we even had crusader aura…we had aura mastery, we had sacred shield, we had HEALS ON DIVINE STORM…that was great and really fitted the “support holy warrior, do damage and heal at the same time”, but everything was slowly taken away from us, and for what? the damage still low, the utility is probably the worse we ever had, and class fantasy is pretty much dead.

we are facing dire times, we have nothing, just nothing that could persuade someone to invite a ret to a high m+ or a prog raid, when you have to overgear what you’re doing and people that you play with, to have a chance not to get smashed in every dps scenario, there is something really, really wrong with the spec.

but wait, at least we are getting new animations, of only it gave more utility or better damage…

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Except that paladins have great representation in mythic raiding, especially retribution(in mythic+ however it looks very grim for retri).

Blizzard won’t do much about paladins since their sort of the benchmark class. At the very least paladins always been quite consistent in its troughtput, tankings great, dps are consistent, holy have always been a staple.

Sure the top end damage for a paladin are fairly low, but the median for paladins are in line with other classes. Be happy you don’t rely on procs to such a heavy degree you jump from bottom to top every 2nd fight.

The smal buffs given to paladins in 8.1 are more noticeable then it seems and hoping for more buffs are a dream. Paladins even get a battle res utside of the battle res lock out, might be a bit of a struggle to use since you can’t use DP or BoP, but being able to use redemption while in combat for 20 sec when someone dies are quite a nice extra flavor to the class.

The new traits feels really good to play with on the PTR, but i suppose it requires further testing to see how they affect our dps. But tbh. Id probably use both of them as one off’s since it just feels very good using them.

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The one thing I miss the most is the seals. Dude we could run as fast as a sprinting rogue… It was a bit tricky to keep multiple seals rolling but it was hella fun.

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What are you smoking? Retribution having a great representation in mythic?
For last 4 bosses in Uldir you literally have to run out of players for a ret to be brought in.

People are rerolling left and right from paladin because they don’t want to be benched and in 8.1 it seems like this is going to continue because almost nothing is getting fixed.

But you’re right tho, we are consistent, consistently bad that is.

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This is so sad, rly why there is 0 positive changes for rets??
Wheelchair once… wheelchair forever according to blizzard!!!
Paladin was so much better in WOD. ;(

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I would love to see kings/wisdom back as raidwide buffs and all paladins be able to give them.

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holy is in a pretty bad spot at the minute, prot is kind of middle of the pack, not sure where you’re getting your info from?

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I’m just so tired of re-rolling :frowning:

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I am waiting to release Kul Tiran humans to re-roll to Warrior… probably until the fix our mobility (if that day ever come)… we suK

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Blizzard hates paladins it seems. Also, EU forums rarely get ANY kind of blue response at all so don’t expect anything. I’m wondering why do they even exist at that point, just let us post in the US forums or combine/merge them. Giving feedback in EU forums feels like talking to a brick wall.
#paladinsriseup

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Th for this topic Rathian,

I did come here to see if anyone even cares anymore about ret .
i play ret since they are in game , i kinda love them , (everyday little less :worried::
This is my first expansion i do not Raid !!! Why you ask , coz they dont have place for ret , and i am not talking about normal /LFR or even heroic raids at this point. coz every low rate did cleared , and they bring everything , in M raids , they just look at you like you are crazy when ask them do you need ret !!! what ,you joking right ! they thinking . I must say They are right , if i was raid leader i didnt bring ret also to raid , why shoud i coz of nice damage ! wel we are far behind many class at this point , coz of buffs utiltys or dont know coz we are paladin !!! wel when blizzard says ret are in Good place i know they dont even care anymore , good place is bench yeah we are on Top of that .
In M+ dont even think they wil ret in High lvls , Even low lvls they dont even bring you , SO i must tank the dungeons if i want do M+ and i do , i like it NO , but i need do something or quit the game , Reroll is my last option at this point , And i am really sorry for that coz i did LOVE my ret , even if he never was top in DPS but was damn fun and i had ton of things (Utilitys) to use , not like now , auto attack hope for procs , Ohh no 2 target what can i do yeah i can go Top in dps meter if you look frome down to up … do i have nice aoe nah who need it , cleave fu… that we do remove it this expansine so you dont neeed wory about it , here wake of ash go play with this have nice long CD and its your only nice Aoe option…
I dont even want go M+ as ret Why coz if i do i just hate my self even more coz i cant do a thing in M+ and my damage is also crap , adds or boss dont matter .
Anyway th again for this Topic i am sure blizzard still think Rets are in good Place , Only if they can Awnser one thing , if we are in good place , Why i cant find rets in ranking raid or M+ ? we are good but ppls rather not bring rets coz they are crazy ? its wierd right .
Good luck i hope someone frome blizzard see this and reply something .

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Make the paladin class great again

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One great post about RET state at this moment, that i want to share.
Not mine, it’s from US forum
Creator: Vindiee

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Allow me to start off by saying I began playing Retribution paladin the first week or Burning Crusade, my paladin is closing in on 700 days played having some on off time in the past expansions, I’ve raided in I would say 80% of every raid released, and cleared probably 75% of raided in. I’ve been 2400+ rated in arena in the past and maintained 2200 for most seasons (not a lot these days but hey I’m old now).

With all of that being said, I feel as though I’ve paid enough dues to be able to share a pretty valid opinion on it’s current state. Ret is in really bad shape, most of you know this, the issue I take is with you folks who seem to think it’s either “fine” or in a good spot. If you think Retribution, the DPS spec for the Paladin class, is in a good spot, then you’re naive to the disadvantages presented to you by playing this spec, your raid is really bad, or you don’t actually do anything progression focused in this game. If all you want is shiny Paladin transmog, then Ret is probably fine, but most people want much more than that, including myself.

I won’t sit here and pretend to know how to fix ret, bore you with my talent ideas or talents that should be baseline ideas etc. I have my ideas, as many people do, but at this point I just want a response, I want to hear why there are no changes in 8.1. I want to know if there actually are changes coming and they just haven’t been mentioned for one reason or the other, I want to know why Ret is, for lack of a better term, being ignored almost entirely.

Looking at warcraftlogs statistics, which I know isn’t a perfect analysis, the breakdowns for percentile based performance shows Retribution having 39,000+ logs recorded. On another point of view, Enhancement has 13,000+ logs recorded, meanwhile Enhancement performs ahead of ret (though not by a HUGE margin) and Enhancement is the one getting a detailed set of buffs and tuning passes for 8.1 while Retribution is being left to wither and die. Not that Enhancement didn’t need a little help, but why not ret too?

You can’t have a “hybrid” dps spec with the mentality of off healing or the “utility” hindering the dps so much that it renders the spec unplayable. The utility isn’t even that great, BoP is good for Zul, bout it, and why bring the ret when you’re basically assured to have a holy paladin who can do the same thing, then just bring a melee dps that can actually dps. In the past, retribution has RARELY been a chart topping dps, it’s definitely had it’s moments in the spotlight, and it doesn’t have to be the best of the best. In world first guilds, there doesn’t have to be a ret in each one, hell not even one of them, but when you have guilds, that are only 5/8 mythic having to sit rets because the damage is so lack luster, it HAS to be a red flag. Granted I’m progging on G’huun as Ret but only because I’m the raid lead and can’t sit myself, and am unfortunately changing to windwalker for 8.1 unless some major changes are brought about.

If you think Ret is in a good spot then you don’t know what “good spot” is. It doesn’t have to be a chart topping power house of a spec, but given the fact that it is the ONLY Paladin DPS spec, it should at the absolute least compete with middle of the pack or other “hybrid” dps… should it not? Also if you’re argument is that you compete just fine in your guild then your guild has mediocre or bad dps, no flame, just honesty, ret does not compete, bottom line. My logs are decent, Mostly purple/orange with 2 rough ones for single kills and holding lockout for G’huun, so it’s nothing to write home about but I know what’s going on and what I’m doing. Hell, even some of the Rank 1 ret logs you can look at and see their rank 1 is 4th or 5th in the guild under 94+ percentile ranks, which is pretty absurd. I was so hype for Retribution in BFA due to the reverting back to the old mastery, and away from arms warrior 2.0. Now, I would punch my dog to have Legion ret back, at the very least it was competitive and in reality good for most situations, hell I’m pretty sure it was the first time a ret has been in a world first kill in a few expansions.

All in all this isn’t meant to be a post to cry about how bad rets are, though my discord surely knows I’ve done my fair share of crying, complaining, cursing, yelling, and ranting about how bad they are, it’s more about being a post looking for a response of some degree. Just tell me that you see the posts, tell me something is in the works, give me an ETA if you can. Paladin, specifically Retribution is one of your most beloved, in depth lore wise, and story driven class/spec combinations in the game, don’t just ignore it because you’re unsure of what to do. The spec is dying, and nothing is being done to save it. The 8.1 changes address literally nothing, flash of light buff?
Really?
That’s what we need?

Looking forward to your response, devs and community, but please don’t just fill the thread with “My ret fantasy” most of the time the stuff you put in it is ridiculously OP just to make your favorite class strong.

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Ok! So I be been crawling around forums a long time and I wasn’t sure if I should join the fray cause I know there are people out there that would hate what I ve to say about retris but what the heck right ?! ?

So first things first, I consider myself a casual player (playing about 2h a day in average), this expansion is the first time I play paladin (so no nostalgia of greatness there), I only play Retri,I play mostly PvE nowadays cause this is the state of the game (all previous expansions I was mostly a PvP player with my lock),I m 381ilvl (with the azerite traits and enchantments I want to have), I got 1050io, and u know what ppl hate me all u want but:

RETRIS ARE OK AND FUN TO PLAY!

Don’t u all get me wrong now and let me say this first: Retris are ok and fun to play compared to other classes in the game and the current state. At least IMO

Did I like dying cause of GCD? No but I managed to adapt and learn the class limits so I won’t. Did I like have nothing to press for 2-3secs? No but now I m able to throw heals in between now and be the first at HPS after the healers so no dead time . For me it’s important for all to understand that GCD is for every1 not a Retri exclusive problem - I don’t consider it a problem at all just a different way of gameplay which has its own challenge

I haven’t had a problem join a high level key (high level meaning up to 13+) if the setup needed a Retri cause let’s face it not all classes/specs work great with one another and in uldir I am the only Retri or maybe there’s another one (ok not great representation I admit) and I’m always top5 in DPS being either my guild or pug . I know ppl would now rush to say that the other players are bad having no hands and stuff but I 'd like to respond that this happens every time and every boss with a lot of different ppl . My take on why is that? No I don’t claim to be a good player ( I actually consider myself mediocre at best ) I just understand what is expected of me in every situation cause I grinded the f@k out of it and after a lot of failure I m currently comfortable in these battles

I can’t argue about past glory and abilities I haven’t played like seals and auras and they surely sound fun . Some1 suggested a 3rd crusader strike charge and sounded cool for all of u that don’t want to heal in between GCD , I m not a developer and don’t claim to know what is good for the class . I like to explore the potential of what is given to me to work with . I personally like to sacrifice some DPS for using LoH ,BoP and WoG as I find more enjoyable to actually finish that m+ in time or kill the boss than fail and have 2k more DPS (that’s what u r losing) . Some ppl don’t like that playstyle and I respect their opinion but I do, so don’t blame me for actually having an opinion . My suggestion to all of u falling to the previous category: reroll to a DPS exclusive class . I say that in the earnest way and I do understand that you have invested time and money to get you Retri at this point but playing a paladin means u can play all the 3 roles possible out there. Can a mage , lock or a rogue claim the same? No he can only dps and I don’t expect to be better than an exclusive DPS class . It would be hubris IMO . Btw these are the classes that out DPS me so far (haven’t seen many boomkins but I consider them better in DPS also) in uldir and war in m+ when fighting 2x mobs (the more the better for my divine storm).

Finally I want to conclude with saying that IMO , there are crucial problems but mostly in the PvP part of the game (which is kinda a shade of what used to be but this is a conversation for another time). MOBILITY !! FFS !! At least don’t let em steal/dispell BoF for crying out loud … it’s disgusting … that’s the least blizzard has to address . Many great ideas out there like remove routs for high mana % , long arm of the law style abilities , built-in BoF in the damn ponny u choose u r the developers not me

If u red so far ty for your time spending reading this. At OP : sorry if this is opposite of what u r trying to do , I mean no harm or disrespect but I like to be objective as possible . HF!! that’s all about! but fun can be found in dire situations also IMO -who can forget in TBC that one day the game bugged and war had an extra talent and meat grinded everything right :wink: