Pandarens, 10/10 in everything but gameplay

Argent Dawn
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A pandaren’s base stats at level 1 are:

20 Strength
18 Agility
21 Stamina
19 intellect
22 Spirit

Now, if we use 20 as a default, that means that Pandarens are naturally bad at

Mage
Shaman
Rogue
Hunter

and are naturally good or average at

Warrior
Monk
Priest

and that’s it

as class bonuses are as follow

Priest = +2 intellect and +3 Spirit
Rogue = +1 Strength, +3 Agility and +1 Stamina
Warrior = +3 Strength and +2 Stamina
Mage = +3 intellect and +2 Spirit
Monk +1 to Strength, Agility, Stamina and +2 to intellect
Druid = they can’t play
Hunter = +3 Agility, +1 Stamina and +1 Spirit
Warlock = they can’t play
Shaman = +1 to Strength, Stamina, intellect and +2 to intellect
Paladin = they can’t play but would easily be their best class if they could
DK = they can’t play

this means that Pandarens are not given a main stat to build off on, as most classes give them stats that don’t allow them to really outperform any other races, ase most classes just bring their stats up to the 20 mark, making it just average

even Monks, the class that came with the race, isn’t even built to work with them, the only decent spec is Mistwalker

and Mistwalker is one of the weakest healing specs in game.

now, you’re probably wondering

LOL, this doesn’t matter, just play what you want, LOL JOKE RACE

But the fact is that Pandarens have been the least played class for a long time now, and it’s clear why, they have no stats to make then strong with particular classes

Gnomes have their mages and Warlocks

Undead have their rouges and Hunter

Give pandarens something.

TL; DR

Buff pandaren base stats, give them something that makes playing them fun, and not weak and bottom of the pick rate list

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Wait is spirit still a stat?

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yeah, it’s mana regen but only for healers, affects no one else

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Slow down. Life is to be savoured!

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Pandaren are the chad race because they know that focusing on gameplay in WoW is pointless, RP is what matters.

And for RP, they have an entire expansion continent plus a starting zone island all to themselves, packed with lore and variety options.

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Do people honestly still care about race base stats?

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Not really, but if the base stats for a race is bad, how can you expect the race of even perform

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Tbh the difference of 1 or 2 points of mainstat is more than made up for by doubled stat food effects.

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Mistweaver or Windwalker?

Just combine them, Mistwalker assemble!

It’s pandaren. Not pandarens.

One pandaren.

Many pandaren.

This triggers me more than this stats thing.

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No, I believe you are correct. Spirit got removed in the beginning of Legion or its pre-patch or something like that afaik.

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Uh, WoD i think…

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But panda’s get double the stats from food?

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Yeah but pandaren males can party rock you.

Also their racials are a++ good.

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I enjoyed few races like i did with the pandaren, maybe blood-elfs?
-Not only that, but panda+monk combo in wod, best fun I had since MM Hunter in
WoD, rogue and Shock-a-din in TBC and WotLK <3

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Pandaren food racial is superior to all other passive “have 1% stat” racials. So long as you’re using relatively high quality food. It also gives the panda flexibility in their stat choice, and the option to boost mastery which no other race has in their racial passive gains.

I mean draenei get an extra 38 or so int/str/agi at 120. If panda eats banquet the panda gets 100 more of base stat than anyone else. That’s almost three times higher.

“but food” people say. Just level your cooking. All of my max pandas have cooking at level to make banquets. The mats outside of midnight salmon are cheap as chips on AH. Very easy to make banquets for even general use tbh. Also it’s not like the mats are hard to farm. Just don’t vendor any food mats ever, and ensure alts send them to panda mains. The fishing mats are the only ones that are time consuming to farm (as you have to actually consciously take time out) but they’re not too expensive on AH. Search for good deals and buy in bulk when opportunity rises. I just have somewhere around 5-6 stacks of the fish for banquets in Bank by jumping on good AH deals when they appeared. That’s lots of banquet mats for the future. The only issue with the food buffs is pvp.

Having food always available also makes you a hit in mythic and raids as everyone loves a banquet. So in this way pandas also can make their lower, less prepared mythic and raid groups better by forcing food availability on them by stocking for their own racial. Several times I’ve started a mythic and people had flasks and such but poor food. I like to think I made the group slightly better.

The only issue I have with pandas is their exp gain racial confers no benefit at max level. I’d give it some slight bonus outside of rested exp gains (maybe reduce those slightly to compensate). Something like “when pandaren have rested exp they gain 5% more reputation” small, but something.

I would also make the epicurean racial make pandas reach well fed twice as or three times as quickly as other races. This would mitigate the pvp disadvantage somewhat and otherwise unaffect the racial power elsewhere.

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I didn’t even know races had base stats!

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I got tilted. WP.

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You remind me of those kinds of pokemon players who will grind until they have two perfect Pokemon to breed and breed until the baby have the exact stat and passive stat boosts they can be born with and the still throw it out because it isn’t also shiny.

I mean it is fine if you want to maximize your output but I think you are on the wrong server, we are not mythic raiders here.
and 1 stamina stat is only like 10 health or something, so the difference between a warrior with 10 stamina and 11 stamina, won’t be any deciding factor.

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Competitive Pokemon Trainer Intensifies

Steady on there chap. If anyone takes pokemon competitive battling seriously then breeding for max ivs is the only way to go.
In WoW the difference of 1 to 2 pts in base stats makes less than 0.00001% (not a serious figure but it’s surely very small) difference due to that value in comparison to end game stat values its a difference of 1 on a stat of value several thousands.

In pokemon an iv difference can make a difference of 1 on a stat that varies between 56 to 614 (depending on the stat, pokemon, eV and iv). Its far more significant. Its very important for Speed, because speed is a binary check to determine initiative. Every point matters in winning this check (or losing it if that’s your preference).
Like, let’s take Electivire. Electivire has a speed base of 95 (289 max). If you have a perfect speed IV and a beneficial nature, you can out speed a Garchomp (major threat and counter, base speed of 102) unless it has a speed boosting nature. If it has a speed boosting nature it has to have an IV in speed of at least 16 (and max EV of 252) otherwise Electivire will outspeed a Pokemon that is meant to KO and conversely OHKO it with Ice Punch (with correct stat spreads).
Not the best example, there are probably far tighter cases of where this matters and a pokemon can knock out a traditional counter, or tank them, or outspeed them.

I have done this several times such as spread max stats (and EV spreads) in such a way just to optimise for particular counters. Back in XY Jolteon was still a big deal. I had a Slowking that was trained specifically to bait Jolteons in, but would take three thunderbolts to KO, whilst KOing the typical Jolteon spread in two hits with Psyshock, so Jolteon could not be used to safety check him. The survival rate was very narrow, I have no doubt without max stats that 3HKO would turn into a 2HKO, completely ruining the ruse.

I totally agree with your point in WoW but dang as a red blue baby now going on to UltraS/M ill maintain its pretty normal to breed like this in the competitive scene for pokemon. If you know how to do it then it can take you maybe an hour to hatch a decent pokemon with max relevant ivs and ev train them. A lot less effort than rerolling a new race in WoW for a difference in base stats!

Shinies are just vanity and have no bearing on performance, so yeah, people who insist on perfect iv Shinies for battle are being uncessarily pedantic. Who cares if your charizard is black/green it still gets KOed by Accelerock.

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Pokemon very quickly becomes a eugenics simulator as you begin purging the ones who don’t have perfect genetics.

I built multiple teams and probably created the wild pokemon populations of entire games.

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