Well that’s not how I expected to see Uther come back, but sure why not. If they’re doubling down on this light undead business, then might as well go the full distance I guess.
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He has been the object of many theories since people discovered that his Tomb was updated. It only makes sense that Calia’s first move is to raise the greatest hero of Lordaeron after Terenas himself.
With Uther leading her armies, Calia shall reclaim her rightful throne and bring Lordaeron back into the fold.
This is just false. It was the SC what tried to do that but given how they went insane the Alliance distance themselves from that group. AD was neutral and most human villages not under the SC control were attacked by the Forsaken and were later wiped out by them in Cata’.
Which was for her own gain, as soon as she got that instead of leading her people she tried to kill herself. What a wonderful and inspirational leader.
That is what happens when you go back on your word and kill the last remaining leader of Lordaeron. Furthermore I am not going to get into another argument about Nathanos’s opinion on what happened. He is a known liar.
No she didn’t, she fought for revenge and later survival. Anything that benefited the Forsaken came from her own desires and goals.
Surviving and trying to start a new with her family? Like I said to Arale I think it shows character to allow the Forsaken to rule for themselves as they are different now.
I highly doubt you need to denounce such things when someone it flat out evil, common sense takes over.
No, she uses them as tools for her own survival. Not for them but for herself.
And how did Sylvanas do that exactly? Why was she the catalyst to move them past pity? What did she move them to, revenge? Injustice? Becoming the thing they hated?
And if people agree with her mindset then they are equally just as bad or evil. You can’t complain about being evil when you say this.
Well she isn’t completely unknown to start off with. And her “rights” only came when the Forsaken at The Gathering asked her to.
What do you mean? She could do nothing. If she were to join along side the Humans to fight the Undead then we would either not have Forsaken faction as the place would have been reclaimed or she would have been dead.
She does now.
You mean the Neitherlight or the Alliance? And regardless of that Calia didn’t do anything to Genn and the Worgen personally. I don’t see why they would have an issue with her especially when he was there when she died.
ok…?
Still, nobility marrying commoners. Sure the scale of Calia’s is bigger but the Windrunners still did it and to other races. You can argue that makes it worse.
Ok, I’ll pretend this is relevant to the discussion.
Didn’t realise the Forsaken hated Calia for marrying a commoner xd.
Do the Forsaken even know this or was this secret kept away from the people?
Dunno ask the magnificent Christie Bronze IV writing it’s in Before the storm chapter 15 and 25.
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Perhaps you needa as you are the one having problems with the story 
No worries. Go enjoy Sad orc redemption part 4. It’s a way better story. Also can’t wait for AU lightforged Garrosh to come alongside AU Yrel in the next expansion. Surely by the looks of it you won’t have any problem with it 
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No, it is not. Even in Before the Storm, Genn is still shown eager to kick the Forsaken out of Lordaeron.
And we’ll see soon enough the kind of quests the Forsaken had in Vanilla regarding the Alliance.
There was even an elite one that had Shaw sending assassins to kick Nathanos out of his house and kill him.
And theirs. And Calia decided to do nothing.
Nothing indicates the Alliance cared one bit about Garithos.
We do have a formal apology letter on behalf of Stormwinds King that acknowledges that the Forsaken plea was refused.
And if we give credit to other sources, that would be a subtle way of putting it.
Still benefitted them more than a “ruler” that decided to let them all rot and die after her brother killed them all.
See, here I agree.
If the best kind of leadership Calia has to offer is to let them be and survive on their own…she can go back with the talking windchime.
They’ve done so marvellously up until now without her
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Will do, the most interesting part of this exp for me is what is happening on AU Draenor. I wouldn’t mind seeing a Lightbound invasion with each Exarch being a different race within the Lightforge, Garroshing being one of them ofc.
Oh yes I forgot everyone knows Genn’s thoughts because they are made public on his social media account.
We don’t need to see you can just go on a private server or look them up on Wowhead.
I am not saying the Alliance didn’t do anything, but they barely did anything. Most of the hostility was done with the SC, not the Humans aligned with the Alliance.
To say that the Alliance were attempting to destroy the Forsaken is false. There were probably thoughts of this from several characters but regardless they were not acted upon.
No, hers. Sylvanas does stuff for herself foremost. Anything which benefits the Forsaken is a side effect of her doing it. Calia let the Forsaken lead themselves rather than throw herself in the mix. Arguable a good thing.
He was supported by the Alliance, the Blood Elves at the time aligned with him ffs. He has Dwarves in his army. How can you actually say that!?
Alright then, source that and source the part where this was in direct link to what Nathanos said.
Being used as tools can hardly be considered beneficial. Even harder to see how a lot of Forsaken have been raised by Sylvanas and her Val’kyr herself.
This must be a first lol.
They are actively turning into monsters under Sylvanas and at least a few people still want her. If becoming the Scourge is a good thing then something is seriously wrong.
But you do know what is happening on AU Draenor. Every mag’har orc is forced to join them and gets mindwashed in the process or gets purged. You did the scenario.
AU Draenor is literally just Light cleansing. That’s why the mag’har are here because they have lost the long war. Before the mag’har take the portal it was the last stand. AU Grom and the rest have died to facilitate the mag’har escape.
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So…? What is your point?
Nothing just curious what is your opinion on that whole Light Reich story.
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I just find it more interesting and it is probably because there is so many questions and theories to play with.
What is killing the planet? The Light? The Iron Horde? Perhaps what Arch’ said at the end of WoD with the seeds of destruction being set is the actual reason behind it.
Why is the Light seemly acting very hostile and force converting, did something happen? Are Grom and Gera-(however you spell that name) telling a bias version of events what have taken place?
The Bronze Dragon in the scenario said the worst version of Garrosh was in our timeline and near enough every other he is a hero, does this mean that AUGarrosh is a hero?
So many interesting questions what can be answered in a number of ways, a way to make it more than just black and white while unveiling more stuff about the darker side of the Light.
Knowing Blizzard it’ll probably suckand they’ll pick the most boring route but I can’t help myself lol.
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I think it’s pointless to talk about the events involving Yrel and AU Draenor. We only have half the picture, as the only source is the unreliable orcish supremacist Geya’rah. It’s pointless to talk about a war when we don’t have the point of view of one side of said war.
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Sweet summer child.
The Light is hostile because they consider themselves the “right” way. In the vision of all those that follow the “Light” everything that opposes them is evil and must be converted/purged. AU Draenor is nothing but a confirmation of what Xe’ra also wanted to achieve in the name of the “Light”.
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She gave them:
a purpose,
their home back,
a new direction,
a kingdom under a single banner just like in old times,
new culture,
saftey from being killed off by light zealots via militarizing.
No. Not at all. Calia showing up “I have all the answers!!!” is the worst plot device since the Mary Sue short story of Star Trek.
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The right way might be filled with corpses but even just the concept still intrigues me more than this trash fire called BfA.
Is it just me or is your blatant misogynist attitude rather- worrisome?
Calia’s love life is certainly the last reason why she’d be a horrible choice as Forsaken leader…
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Revenge? Wow what purpose. What purpose do they have now?
Alright.
Death to the Living?
ahahahah, scaping the barrel now?
xd
Reminds me of Mafia’s protection money. I am sure she did that because she cared so much /s.
Well luckily for us that hasn’t been used yet.
My two cents about Calia, since its a hot topic.
I really do not think she would be a good leader of the Forsaken, as she did not share any of the trial or tribulations the race has been through. Further more, she does not share their curse, having her own unique brand of “blessed” undeath (whatever that is), and frankly, she wasn’t even there.
If someone has to replace Sylvanas, put in Nathanos instead.
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Talking about monarchy and how the queen and the princess should behave for the safety of the realm is SJW topic.
Let’s do an imagination exercise. What would be the consequences if tomorrow we would find out that the Queen of England had a bastard in her youth with a random commonner? Now imagine how the british people would feel.
Civil wars through out medieval history have been started for less.
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