The cap is fine, is somewhat proportioned to raid difficulty.
And upgrade is also fine, will help you boost the slots where you may have you bis but at low ilvl without changing it with something higher but less desirable, or to fill slot where rnjesus decided you’re not worthy of a drop.
The real pity, if anything, is that this thing has been asked for the last 3 xpac, and they’re doing it only now. Stubborness is a disease, i’m glad they’re trying to cure it.
Step in right direction but… 220 for all m15 is joke almost everyone who does 15+ already has lots of 220 gear. PvP is still superior cuz u cant get 226 from it. Idk why it isnt on par with vault rewards… so u have done all dungeons in 10+ upgrade to 220, 12+ you can upgrade to 223. all 14/15 and u can upgrade to 226. I also thinked about buying raid gear but idk about criteria with this one.
The upgradeable gear is pointless, it adresses none of the current issues.
If the current iteration goes live. The Development time spent on it will be completly wasted, as it changes nothing, it adresses none of the issues that are geneally brought up. Current version seems to just be a way to apease people, and stop the complaining on the forums for a week or 2 till people realize this changes nothing at all.
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Exactly, I have empyreal ordnance from M12 (while it’s not bad 207ilvl, Vault version is 226 which is already 19ilvl difference. With Valor you can at least close this gap to 6ilvl).
Sounds great. Sadly, the implementation of valor points and focus on M+ is just 2 months too late. Game is already dead for m+ runners.
Got my keystonemaster weeks ago and ever since the game was boring to me. There was nothing left to achieve, unless you focus on “rio-score” which is not even a part of the game.
As a non-raider with 216 the only gear upgrade left is weekly vault or PVP.
M+ have been a great implementation for people not able to mythic raid 2-3 times a week. Sadly, Shadowlands m+ loot have scaled way too low from +7 and thus killed the game for non-raiders imo.
It is honestly such a shame, as SL had SO much potential. Maybe this patch will save it - unless people lose interest first.
All I’m reading into this is that 9.1 will now not be out until summer (June /July) which means a there will be nothing to do outside of running myhic+ or raiding. There should be a content drip to keep others interested. I’m not sure this is doing enough to keep many players engaged.
Some PvE players here are completely unrealistic I swear.
The only way the system could go the PvP style would be if dungeons dropped no loot and you would just have a vendor with basic gear like we do.
Basically you do mythic dungeons, you gather valor and you buy gear with it, WITHOUT drops from the dungeon.
Do you realize what you’re asking for? Mythic dungeons are officially the best way to gear up right now.
Eh, what? Currently it’s the worst.
With the valor upgrades it’s the best sorry. You will see.
I wish they didn’t listen to us.
No it will change nothing.
M+ loot will still be
In what universe will it be better than pvp gearing?
You can’t target a specific piece of gear you want/need. You are at the mercy of RNG on multiple fronts.
First you need to get loot at the end of the dungeon.
That loot then needs to be the right item of the 5-8 items you can get. You then need to have every dungeon timed on what ever level to upgrade it to still be lower than all other end game sources.
If I pvp, I get the conquest points, buy the item I want… if I have the rating I can upgrade it all I want as honor isn’t weekly capped. I can upgrade it all the in a day if I no life enough.
It would be really awesome if you could give us a way to upgrade weapons to 233 via the new Valor system. Perhaps unlocked after timing everything on a +20?
I would assume that the number of players that time all keys on a 20 or higher will be similar to the number that kill Mythic Denathrius. It would mean that players who aren’t in a CE raid guild can still realistically push the highest level of M+ keys, if that’s their preferred end-game content track.
well rip raids, all you need to do to get gear then is to spamming m+, running the same path in the same dungeons over and over like brainless robots
This is an improvement for M+ I guess, but I’m really not sure about the lego change. How many players will have spent 100k+ gold and hours worth of ash on their BiS but will now find it’s no longer BiS?
But for me the big negative is that 9.1 will have been pushed back to fit this in. 9.1 will be May now? That’s 6 months between premium content patches and we were supposed to be getting them more frequently, not less frequently.
the 220 ILVL cap is a bit of a Gut punch compared to the PvP gear… Why does it always have to be “Either Or” with you Blizz? Why? 
Also while on the subject… Where is the Vendor Blizz? Where is the PvE vendor? Now don’t get me wrong, the Valor system is a good addition! But see, Drop changes you’ve done this time around is what people are complaining about. I’ve said it before and i’ll say it again:
So you are in a 5man group, you don’t time the +13 which gives 207ILVL?! So that means 1 piece drops, that’s 20% that you are going to be the lucky recipient of loot, and you are after 1 piece of loot in there, so IF you get a piece, chances are out of the 8-10 pieces that can drop for you, the odds are majorly against you in getting what you are after.
What the player base WANTS and have been asking… NAY! Pleading about, is getting the ability to focus a piece to grind towards! Like PvP, the hopes with Valor was that you could get the weekly cap and then get the piece you had your lustfull eyes on! Same as PvP conquest, don’t @me with BS like: BuT M+ Is SpAmMaBlE, so is PvP SHUT! 
The way you have structured WoW now goes as follows whether you like it or not:
End Game= High End Raiding. High End PvP. AND High End M+ So having the gear from only one of these sources Buyable and having the ability to actively work/grind towards is massively unfair for the PvE community…
The PvP vendor is fine! It’s an awesome addition to the game! Not denying that! So please understand my dismay for lack of a better word at what you are doing to PvE in comparison…
This Either PvE or PvP mentality HAS to end!
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You should make +15s Timed runs reward 226/233 ilvl like in PvP giving 226/233. May be you should also introduce “Reforge” system. Since most gear stucked on Versatility. By reforge we can change unwanted stat to wanted stat like %75 / %25. And fix Rogues. Not asking damage buff , i want fix for Rogues. The class itself seeing worst situation amongs the all expansions.
I agree with you, however 226 gear is from 2100 rating, not 2400
And ironically, that Vers from the perspective of a tank looking to break into high M+ is actually preferable to just about anything from pve.
So those who doesn’t do M+, will get valor from Callings, but have nothing to spend them on?
As someone who’s not in a guild and has only pugged everything this seems like a really good change for people like me, although I think it should go even higher. +18 for 226 gear and +20 for 233 weapons seems like a fair progression path.
I feel people who do pvp at the high level easily rake in the gear from arena’s right now (which is good, they deserve it), but I feel that people who slowly progress to +18, +19, +20 need something to look forward to as well and valor is the perfect opportunity.