Patch 9.0.5 PTR is Now Available

Community General Discussion
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So. Forced to play Mythic+, all dungeons, at +10, just to upgrade a 200 to 213?
Good luck getting into groups if you have 200 ilvl for a +10.
And then good luck needing to grind +10’s if you need a 213, which by that point you shouldn’t need / have much better ilvl gear and would be wanting to do higher keystone items for -not- 213’s.

And then all at +15 to upgrade to a 220? Even though by that point, you probably will only be looking for one or two 220 items…

While raiding gets nothing? So you can clear the raid every week and get 1 to nothing?

I was 9/10 heroic for weeks, and now 10/10 heroic.
My friends barely play or raid and are higher ilvl than me for weeks, purely because of loot drops, not raiding effort. (Not talking skill here, just ‘they do 2 bosses, I do 8, they’re higher ilvl than me’)

I put in far more effort, and get nothing for it, purely by RNG.

What would have made this better? Valor for raids. So then a “Great. My entire week wasted going 8 - 10 heroic bosses and my ilvl is the exact same.” turns into a “Ahhh well, least I can buy a bit of armor soon!”.

Yeah.

Great change.

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Look at my gear, I did all +10’s when I was around 206. Even right now I still have 5 pieces that are below 213 and I already completed all 15’s.

I think there will be plenty of stuff left to upgrade when you get the achievements.

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The upgrade system seems fair on paper and in line with what the pvp side has right now. Now I hope they tune the valor point acquisition reasonably well.

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Solo Queue when? :frowning:

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Thanks for the effort blizztard but too late.

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Yeah i have no problem with pve token but i have big problems with not being able to gear up from dungeons and i will have to buy the ilvl through a vendor… honestly who wanted this? Why do even instances still dropping gear if they are useless now?

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why no upgrade-functionality for raid items? :face_with_monocle:

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Not adressing the problems with rogues falling behind whatsoever are you?
And no nerfs or anything to boomkins?

Clearly playing favorites here arnt we… And ontop of that, making venthyr even worse for rogues unless you are reducing the cooldown of the ability to 30sec and adding a dot or something else to it as well.

Stop hating on us, blizz.

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JUST. ADD. PVE. VENDOR.

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But how long does it take to acquire the conquest gear?

Just today I got my last piece of conquest. So after 3 months I’m finally full conquest. That’s 3 whole months to complete my gear, without discussing the rating.

In order for me to join a good PvP guild I have to have a min 2k exp in the previous seasons which I don’t so I’m stuck with pugs which I must say, it ain’t easy life.

The truth here is that high end players have a mix of pvp and pve gear because they push ilvl hard and they want to gear asap.

If you go only pvp you won’t be able to “no life” it my friend, simply because conquest cap doesn’t allow it.

I just checked your character, you have 216 ilvl and you don’t PvP at all, I’m 215 and I did a mix of both for a good while.

Why are you complaining? Your gear is fine, you’re beating high keys and you’re rewarded for it.

It is clear to me that PvE players just love to whine and get free lewtz 24/7. They often talk about PvP as a piece of cake when they don’t even touch it.

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Very interesting design.

Analyzing with a simple mda framework

Mechanic: gear can be upgraded up to 200 if completing all 5 on time, 213 all 10, 220 all 15

Dinamics:

  • players will start running more m+ at lower levels to be sure to unlock all 3 options from the vaults now that gear can upgrade.

  • will be harder to have leavers in keys if valor is obtained by completing the key even if the run it’s overtime.

Aestetics: submission, sensation fellowship.

In conclusion this change increases m+ repleayability on all levels and will probably reduce a litle the % of leavers in pugs

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I understand where your idea is coming from, but ultimately the inability to upgrade to 226 will leave high end players with pretty much the exact same problem as before. 226 will still be excessively random.

I suggest adding the option in the great vault to get a “M+ 226” token that allows you to upgrade any existing item to 226 instead of getting a regular reward. That will significantly reduce the randomness. Matter of fact I will suggest this instead of Valor points.

Whatever you do though, please don’t add back Titanforging or mandatory daily quests.

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So… 9.0.5 is on the PTR… 3 months after the expax is out… what does that tell you about 9.1?

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That it’ll probably be out in 3 months more, exactly the same as in BfA. Each tier is gonna be 6 months long - better get used to it.

And Legion, the supposed “so much content omg so fast release!” had 5 months between tiers. Yeah, it’s better, but not much.

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I really like the idea of a ‘warlords trophy’ style item from the Great vault like you suggest.

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You forgot to add in the thing where we can buy honor tokens for our alts! :pleading_face:

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You think pve is easier with no previous experience.

But you got it, if a raider or M+ is unlucky we’ll never get it.

Keyword is ASAP. Sure, if you do all of it you should gear faster.
But someone doing only M+ is not sure to ever be fully geared since we rely on RNG ones a week. So someone specializing in M+ might not ever be able to compete… and that’s fair?
Nvm someone doing pvp, you have catchup. So if you come in late or reroll you can catch up.
M+? Nope, since you rely on a weekly RNG chest with no catch up.
For raiders and pvpers, the weekly chest is some chance for extra high end loot… for M+ it’s the only way to get high end loot.
233 weapons are exclusively pvp and raid as well. What would you say if we just lock pvp gear to 210 ilvl, with a weekly rng chance at a decent piece? Oh well, I’ll give you the ability to upgrade it to 220… but you’ll still have to compete with raiders and their 233 items… seems fair right?

I clearly said the ability to upgrade your gear, not aquire it. Which you can very much no life.

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I like this ! finally something relevant to dungeons progresion
if you don’t care about raiding

But i like to say that vault is still random even if you have 1-3-9 open cause if you tryin to target the one item you need and there is like 2 head 1 cloak 3rings 1 shield 2 off hands and no trinket you wanted from lets say mists of tirna and you waited for vault 1 week to open your best gear
I think let us choose whatever item we need from dungeon or raids or PVP
still we can only pick up 1 per week
Just opinion

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Yes, you build your rio as you go.

I’m in a mythic guild right now, I could start PvE if I wanted, minimum heroic level.

While in PvP it’s pretty much no achievement no invite.

You can spam mythic I can’t spam conquest farm because of the cap.

And my vault is also RNG. The time required to get the gear is similar in both types of content.

Yours is more RNG but spammable, mine is targeted with no RNG but capped. Pick your poison.

I find that hard to believe. Considering you’re full mythic gear I would say it was lucrative and you actually got some gear.

The only thing I agree with. Yes, you can catch up if you farm hard. But the amount of time it will require for you to actually get to the rating you need pretty much makes up for it.

Don’t forget we are not all glads. Some of us bust their butt off for a 1800, check the statistics. Going for 2.4k is a dream that very few achieve.

Even with the boosting route, it’s a lot easier to get boosted to a KSM than to a 2.1 or 2.4.

I can’t comment on that as I’ve never raided mythic but there should be equal rewards according to the level of content you do, yes.

Listen, don’t get me wrong, I don’t think PvE is easy. If it was everyone would be KSM by now. It takes a lot of commitment and practice just like PvP.

The fact is getting good gear is tough in both situations and each comes with a different set of challenges. PvE has always been RNG and PvP targeted gearing.

I strongly encourage you to go PvP and try it for yourself. I tried PvE and it’s hard.

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Your answer literally feels like you did not play TBC and do not understand what this guy is talking about

PvP gear - you come to vendor, CHOOSE the one that suits you kind of best, and buy it… we are nto talking about upgrading here

PvE gear vendor - non existent and something we were asking for to also avoid total randomness if we spend huntreds of hours in M+

so for you PvP you get gear for hundreds of hours, for PvE we get maybe nothing maybe 1 piece
DO YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE NOW?

PvE vendor we were asking for would at least give us option we choose and can aim for, not an upgrade that can be literally useless if you don’t even get gear from PvE you need

this might be too much for you but let’s see if you get the point now… “no offense”