Patch 9.0.5 PTR is Now Available

[Ceressà-stormscale]

@Skaal-drakthul

Your answer literally feels like you did not play TBC and do not understand what this guy is talking about

I did play TBC quite a bit btw and I was mostly a raider. I never had issues getting PvE gear, I did have issues with PvP gear though.

@Skaal-drakthul

so for you PvP you get gear for hundreds of hours, for PvE we get maybe nothing maybe 1 piece
DO YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE NOW?

I think you’re the one who doesn’t understand what I’m saying.

What you want is utopia really.

A PvE vendor would mean exactly this:

• no loot from dungeons just currency
• a vendor that you can buy gear with, all preset like the PvP one
• rating according to how high you go on a difficulty scale

Is that what people really want?

[Skaal-drakthul]

PvP gear was too easy to get in TBC, and for PvE as well

VENDOR we wanted was one, that if you have enough valor you may buy some substitude, doesn’t mean the best thing there is from dungeons, but something that could help you gear up - exactly waht were PvE vendors in shattrath city…
seriously cmon you are just twisting this around

[Ceressà-stormscale]

So you want both loot from dungeons and loot from vendors?

[Skaal-drakthul]

Finally you get this.

Yes! If we have low drop rate in M+ (which is just crazy low) we want substitude gear from vendor (as TBC! though in TBC gear was dropping much more, keep in mind)

If we get no vendor give us higher drop rates… you see? we don’t want both, we were asking for one OR another and this makes perfect sense, nothing greedy going on

[Ceressà-stormscale]

Stop comparing it to TBC.

TBc had no mythic dungeons. Loot from dungeons was useless for raiding.

Badges had a place there because it was the only way to get epics outside raiding.

Mythic has infinite spamming mechanic, you don’t need the vendor.

[Skaal-drakthul]

I am going to compare it,

1st why get something away that worked before
2nd we are getting it back (sort of), why? because there is a problem
3rd not least we want our time in RPG to actually mean something

and also comparing with pvp for

1st same issue was in last two expacs, you are doing BG or arena and maybe something drops
2nd there was CLEARLY a problem with INCONSISTENT or NO LOOT
3rd vendor for PvP got back, because it fixed the problem

and no, vendors were also there to help you get to raiding as items were not totally best, but good enough for you to start

Mythic has infinite spamming mechanics no because you sink a lot of time in it, get burned out and quit game, unless you get something from it, and I am not talking about 35 anima… oh sorry, now it is 35*3 or something… go to high M+ dungeon, do all mechanics, do it in time, and get nothing, tell me how you feel then

[Ceressà-stormscale]

@Skaal-drakthul

and no, vendors were also there to help you get to raiding as items were not totally best, but good enough for you to start

The vendor you got in TBC was nowhere near mythic levels, if you want the same system then you want dungeons to be made irrelevant again.

I think maybe the loot drop rates could be increased a bit but other than that it will be fine imo.

[Skaal-drakthul]

you’re just trolling now, or just apologising something that has easy solutions

how hard is it to create vendor for normal/hero/mythic (oh that sounds closely to honor vendor)
and vendor for mythic plus (yes you guessed it sounds like conquest vendor)

Apparently not that hard if they can implement upgrading of items as well

[Hpx-trollbane]

This doesn’t fix any issues that players are experiencing. It’s a step in right direction, but why does pvp have higher ilevel then mythics+ ?

Just doesn’t feel right at all, you can still run 10 dungeons without getting any loot on mythic+. Which happened to me several times already. It’s not rewarding, I have just stopped playing mythic+ and started an alt for pvp as at least I get the gear that I want with the right stats, it’s predictable and feels rewarding.

You should scale mythic+ rewards further than 15, you spend on average 35min to 45min on each mythic, 10x 35min = 350min, 6 hours to get a loot piece, probably the real average will be closer to 4/5 hours for each loot you get from mythic+, that’s just not good enough.

Also you put so much emphasis on the great vault, it’s total rng for the love of god, it’s nice if you get a good item, but it should be the element of surprise where you get a piece of item you weren’t expecting to get, no the main way to gear up your characters.

If you want to keep pve mostly rng then you don’t have a choice, do rng for all progression ways ( pvp, pve mythic and pve raiding ) or none at all, else you will just continue in circles trying to fix what can’t be fixed.

[Ceressà-stormscale]

@Skaal-drakthul

you’re just trolling now

Talking logically and objectively is trolling now.

Have a nice evening!

[Jóôló-drakthul]

@Skaal-drakthul

you’re just trolling now, or just apologising something that has easy solutions

how hard is it to create vendor for normal/hero/mythic (oh that sounds closely to honor vendor)
and vendor for mythic plus (yes you guessed it sounds like conquest vendor)

Apparently not that hard if they can implement upgrading of items as well

yes and we need vendor for gold so i just pick up golds from him
and we need vendor for all mounts that are no longer in game aaaand we need vendor for etc etc
no you don’t need vendor you need to just play the game

[Malikyboomie-frostmane]

@Ceressà-stormscale

Yes, you build your rio as you go.

I’m in a mythic guild right now, I could start PvE if I wanted, minimum heroic level.

While in PvP it’s pretty much no achievement no invite.

And you can just as well build your rating, problem is you want to join the big boys when you can’t show anything, that’s like little Timmy with no rio and no raid experience wanting to join a CE guild.

@Ceressà-stormscale

You can spam mythic I can’t spam conquest farm because of the cap.

And my vault is also RNG. The time required to get the gear is similar in both types of content.

You can spam BGs … I mean the gear is garbage, but so is the gear dropping in M+.
Your vault is something extra. Mine is the only way to get worthwile gear.

@Ceressà-stormscale

Yours is more RNG but spammable, mine is targeted with no RNG but capped. Pick your poison.

The only gear worthwhile ever with this change is the vault, and that is weekly locked, and RNG

@Ceressà-stormscale

Don’t forget we are not all glads. Some of us bust their butt off for a 1800, check the statistics. Going for 2.4k is a dream that very few achieve.

Even with the boosting route, it’s a lot easier to get boosted to a KSM than to a 2.1 or 2.4.

Just like the majority isn’t glads, the majority is not people who can just spam 15s from the get go in M+ either, that argument goes both ways

@Ceressà-stormscale

I find that hard to believe. Considering you’re full mythic gear I would say it was lucrative and you actually got some gear.

I’m 216, that’s hardly mythic geared… but if we accept that big of a difference in ilvl and say it’s the same, I guess pvp has farmable HC in honor gear.

@Ceressà-stormscale

Listen, don’t get me wrong, I don’t think PvE is easy. If it was everyone would be KSM by now. It takes a lot of commitment and practice just like PvP.

The fact is getting good gear is tough in both situations and each comes with a different set of challenges. PvE has always been RNG and PvP targeted gearing.

Agreed, neither content Is easy, but the fact is M+ was sold as an alternate form of end game when it was introduced, and it was for 2 expansions. Now it’s been dropped. It is so far behind both raid and pvp it’s not even funny… and this addition is barely a bandage on a open wound.

@Ceressà-stormscale

I strongly encourage you to go PvP and try it for yourself. I tried PvE and it’s hard.

I know it’s not easy, and I don’t enjoy it.
I am just displeased with blizzard that they are forcing players to do content they do not enjoy to get the gear to do the content they do enjoy.

@Ceressà-stormscale

A PvE vendor would mean exactly this:

• no loot from dungeons just currency
• a vendor that you can buy gear with, all preset like the PvP one
• rating according to how high you go on a difficulty scale

Is that what people really want?

Yes

[Felnoc-silvermoon]

Demo is fixed! Finally! You guys removed the “0” from the tooltip!

…this needed a PTR?

[Notnottakumi-mirage-raceway]

@Kaivax

We’ve opened the Public Test Realm (PTR) for Patch 9.0.5, the next update to World of Warcraft, which is now in-testing and expected to be released in March.

This update will be a bit different from our usual patches. It’s focused almost entirely on systems, responding to community feedback about rewards, doing tuning that requires the sort of notice and iteration that a PTR allows, and fixing a range of bugs that are beyond the scope of our ability to hotfix. We know everyone is eager to hear about the next chapter in the Shadowlands saga and what new adventures and rewards it will bring, and we’ll have a lot more information on that in the very near future. In the meantime, we’ll use this patch to get changes into your hands faster than a large content patch would allow.

Here are two of the larger changes you’ll see in 9.0.5, with further iteration to follow over the next few weeks:

Upgradable Mythic Keystone Gear - The Return of Valor Points

We’ve seen a lot of feedback about the pros and cons of the various sources of gear in the Shadowlands endgame. After a rewarding first few weeks, we know that many dungeon-focused players reached a point where the only relevant rewards from the system come from the Great Vault. While the Vault should represent a major goal and the source of the best rewards the endgame has to offer, we want to find a way for the loot from the chest at the end of a challenging Mythic Keystone run to feel relevant, without bringing back random upgrade systems such as Warforging, which partially solved this problem in the past. We also want to provide a more consistent reward for the effort for players who do not receive an item at all.

The framework for a system that attempts to address these goals should be present in this first PTR update, subject to ongoing tuning and refinement. Gear from Mythic Keystone Dungeons is now upgradeable, initially with a cap of item level 200, which players can raise to item level 207 by completing all eight Shadowlands dungeons at Mythic 5 or higher. This will award a new “Keystone Explorer” achievement, while the existing “Keystone Conqueror” achievement (for all +10s or higher) will increase the cap to item level 213, and then to item level 226 by completing the “Keystone Master” achievement and a 233 weapon for all +15s in time. The currency used to upgrade Mythic Keystone gear is Valor, which is earned from completing Mythic Keystone dungeons, or by doing covenant Callings, with a weekly cap. Upgrade costs will vary by item slot and will be consistent across all item levels.

Covenant and Legendary Tuning

We’ve deliberately used a very light touch with any hotfixes that might affect Covenant or Legendary balance, as we’re keenly aware of the resources players have invested in those systems. A patch, however, allows for ample notice for the community and a testing and feedback loop that should help ensure that we don’t unintentionally undermine your investment in your covenant or legendary items.

In many cases, the changes coming in 9.0.5 are improvements to Legendary items and Covenant class abilities that have seen comparatively less use by players. Our goal with these changes is to provide more gameplay options for crafting and utilizing Legendary items in specific situations, and to make sure that more players feel that the Covenant that suits their aesthetic, narrative, or other preferences for their character also feels more viable for their preferred playstyle.

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We’ll have a number of bugfixes, tuning adjustments to other systems, and other changes coming to the PTR in the coming weeks.

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The 9.0.5 PTR is available to all players via your Blizzard Battle.net App. To test with us, go to the app and change your Game Version to Public Test Realm.

We greatly appreciate bug reports! As always, while testing on the PTR, you can submit a bug report for any item, spell, or object by mousing over it and selecting default hotkey F6. Bug reports created in this way include valuable metadata about the spell, your talents, and your player-state when the bug is submitted. If you’ve unbound your “Open Bug Report” hotkey, you can rebind it in Keybindings → PTR.

If you wish to discuss issues related to this patch with other players, we’ve opened a discussion forum here.

https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/c/in-development/905-ptr-general-discussion/287

Thank you for testing, and we look forward to your feedback!

there, i fixed it for you

[Horrorbearer-draenor]

M+ is not that hard and if it is it will only get easier with experience.

[Thangil-anachronos]

@Horrorbearer-draenor

M+ is not that hard and if it is it will only get easier with experience.

Never commented on it being hard or not. But it’s silly that people who don’t do M+ will be getting valor from Callings without nothing to spend them on.

[Horrorbearer-draenor]

Just cos they do not do it now does not mean they do not do it later.

[Thangil-anachronos]

@Horrorbearer-draenor

Just cos they do not do it now does not mean they do not do it later.

It does. For some.

I’m one of those who will NEVER touch M+. Not because it’s hard or whatever, but because I really hate stuff with a timer. I also hate the elitist and toxic environment it has created. And I’m far from the only one.

So, I don’t see why the f we’re getting valor from Callings at all, it makes no sense since you have to do other stuff before being able to spend them.

[Horrorbearer-draenor]

Your not gonna miss out anything then anyway if you not spending valor

[Thangil-anachronos]

@Horrorbearer-draenor

Your not gonna miss out anything then anyway if you not spending valor

I agree, but getting valor from Callings, is just incredibly stupid. Since it’s a M+ currency only, it shouldn’t drop from non-M+ stuff, imo.