Or you just join a GDKP. No HR. No priorities. No “council” made of friends. Everything up for grabs.
If you REALLY want an item, it’s yours.
Why would I ever join a Raid when somthing is on HR.
Even if I dont need the item, I will have more competition on the item I do need, since there are less poeple joining for the item which is HR.
Best example was Gruul in tbc, I already had dst but half the raid would prio dst giving me pretty much no competition on the items i wanted. In this example it is also beneficial for casters, since less casters will join the raid, because more melees will apply.
Joining a run where DST is on HR would just cut down on my own chances of getting the item i want.
How is anything of what you wrote relevant to my post?
LC is only a scam if you are a guildjumper or someone that joins a guild and excpet to get all the BiS stuff in your first raid.
While your points are valid, you forget one thing; why would I put myself in all the trouble to make a group and lead it, without me getting something for my effort?
2 weeks ago, there was this Pug leader who made a naxx25 SR run with no HRs. I joined on my warlock, afked till he filled the group and rolled higher than him on sapph key (most of the raid thought key was HR as usual, so they didn’t even SR it). Is it fair? Would you work without payment?
The payment is the joy and fun of exploring and defeated a dungeon
There are more situations were LC can be scammers, not just if you’re a guildjumper or somebody who expects everything.
LC can be clueless and unintentionally scamming, LC can be participating in cronyism, LC can be receiving nudes from what they think is their qt3.14 GF but is actually a 40 year old balding fat guy, etc.
I’m in a LC guild, and have been in an LC guild for the majority of the classic franchise so far and it has been more positive than negative imo, but mistakes do happen, regardless of your guild rank/seniority and your expectations.
In a perfect world though, for guilds, I believe LC is the best loot system.
It’s in anyone’s best interest to not join a HR Raid. Your worsening your own chances. There are enough alternatives.
The raid leader does not deserve to auto receive an item, whilst a large portion of the raid will not receive antything for their efforts.
What Raids used to and still do is disenchant the epics nobody needs and sell the shards on the austion house. This is your payment for building the raid. Also, any materials and boe recipes can also be sold by the raid organizer.
Also, organizing a successful pug can open up opportunities in the future. Many Guilds start off in a PUG setting with regulars. Building a community based on your own HR Raids is way harder though, since reserving items is off putting to most.
“can” yes. Any system can be corrupt not just LC.
I was in a guild with a corrupt LC at the end of TBC, i left it pretty quickly.
I have been in guilds with corrupt DKP, MS > OS, etc etc. Everyhting can be corrupt if it is the wrong people doing the decisions.
LC is still the best system IMO.
Maybe you should read how personal loot works
TL;DNR; Loot Council is better for the guild and guild progression.
If you’re a solo player and don’t care for playing with friends or building friendships, it’s obviously not for you.
I can’t believe I’ve even had to say that, it should be obvious to everyone. You want “fair”? The word fair is completely relative to situation.
gdkp all the way bby
I did. Blue Post when they announced group loot is coming back in Dragonflight. Also this nifty article from the wiki
“Under personal loot, the game chooses a number of players (based on group size) and awards them a random item for their spec, while everyone else receives an amount of gold specific to them”
So basically what I said. Game randomly choose who gets the loot first and then rolls what each character won based on their spec. The rest gets gold as compensation. So again the reverse of current Group Loot where first the game rolls on which items are dropped by the boss and then players roll for it.
You said run a raid where everyone presses need everytime. Yes a lock needing on betrayer and Armageddon is definitely how personal loot works. Read again
Was oversimplifying that, yes. But it was close enough approximation for your chances of getting said loot.
No it wasn’t lol, not even close.
If you say so. Pray point the major difference then
It’s just a dumb comparison to begin with. You compared personal loot with a master loot/roll system. In a personal loot system, depending on the raid size you get a specific number of loot. Each member that got lucky enough to have a piece of loot, gets rewarded with an item from a specific loot table, for a specific armor/class/spec type. On a master loot/roll system you get a specific number of a loot no matter the raid size for multiple classes/armor types etc that anybody can press need on. They are totally different loot systems that even comparing or using it as approximation is beyond dumb.
So it’s just a reverse order. In current system the game decides what dropsfirst and then players decide/gamble on who gets what.
In personal loot the game decides first who will get anything and then decide what will drop.
The real differences start when you take small details into account. General/group loot is unbiased when it comes to what drops. It doesn’t care if you have a single rogue amid multiple cloth casters. You’ll always have equal odds of getting gear for either. Personal loot especially due to ability to trade the loot as long as it’s not upgrade means that in same example the boss dropping daggers for Rogue are functionally lower than getting upgrade for casters. Hell from anecdotal side had a story from a friend playing retail going on how he got his BiS basically on last week before phase ended.
There is nothing wrong with SR>MS>OS loot system.
Its actually a perfect loot system for classic wow, where everything is super easy and you dont need a guild at all and still have a perfectly maxed out char.
Back in the days pugs were not clearing anything really so you had to play in a guild and use stuff like dkp.
And also I dont see anything wrong with having 1 HR for the raid leader. Try organizing a raid, for example naxx25, or even a VoA 15.
It is not anything enjoyable, trust me. You will be getting rude whispers of all kinds, people will be leaving often for no reason, etc. Etc.
For organizing this the RL actually deserves 1 HR.