Pet peeves: The return (Part 1)

Argent Dawn
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I tend to do a decline in my Shepard’s patience over the 3 games. So ME1, go Paragon all the way through, then ME2 go an even split between paragon and renegade, and ME3 go full renegade as Shepard finally snaps from dealing with everyone’s nonsense.

Also Liara is the only romance option worth taking because it spans all 3 games. Sorry Tali fans, but it’s true.

MOAR ( I did tell you they were bad and not to follow my ‘advice’ )

Here, i fixed it for you.

They hate him due to over exposure, to be frank. Gulliman in 40k is portrayed horribly, as if he can do literally nothing wrong and wins every battle with ease. Note, I’m not including Black Library in this, as they’ve been doing sterling work trying to staple the current lore into some semblance of sense.

AoS was hated because it required the death of WHF, and came out with a shockingly bad ruleset with no way to play even casually organised games, and a visual style aping 40k at the time ( the infamous ground marines meme ).

Thankfully it’s started to shape itself up of late, but imo still lacks the depth of WHF.

Yes. Yes it was. I can’t fathom people’s obsession with ‘low fantasy’ in everything. Hell, the Empire had crazy wizards as standard, magical artillery, and mechanical horses ridden by maddened inventors with grenade launchers.

Only on the surface level. Although I do wish GW would stop faffing about and start showing off the horror of the setting in their mainline codexes and rulebooks, like they did back in 3rd edition 40k. They started sanitising it around 5th edition and going for a more heroic slant in presentation around then, and have been doubling down on it since.

I guess Space Marines sell too well to bring back the whole “they’re indoctrinated psychopaths” thing to the foreground.

I would argue that 40k has long since moved past it’s roots as satire at this point.

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Uh… Chieun, they were -never- morally just, even in their first appearance way back when. They were an expansionist empire who forced you to join at the end of a gun. How is that morally just?

People didn’t like Tau because of the ‘anime’ aesthetic at the time they arrived, and GW straight up admitted in designer’s commentary in White Dwarf at the time that they were taking inspiration from sources like Gundam when designing the Tau.

That’s what people got riled up about, not that the Tau were ‘morally just’ compared to the Imperium.

This is probably only one of the surviving elements of satire in the setting at this point. But yes, 40k portrays them as misguided and inviting their own doom, and that’s the point. It’s either being ground down under the boot of the Imperium, or replacing the boot with something more stylish, or with a vore fantasy.

Are not as common as you think they are. The internet just makes them seem louder and more ever present than they actually are.

I’ll live and die by the opinion that the online Warhammer ‘community’ is absolute garbage. At least via social media. On forums like Bolter and Chainsword there was always the chance to filter out the exceptionally dumb due to an active and fair moderation team.

But in the mosh pit of Facebook or twitter or reddit? Good luck filtering out the stupid.

So just stop going to those sites tbh Chieun, you’ll feel better for it.

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Absolute trash. Requiring multiple platforms and launchers for a game should be illegal.

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For sure, I find that right about everyone in my local community is not even remotely like what you majorly see online

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Back to work after my time off.

Keenly reminded of why I don’t take time off that often. Everything is way more irritating when I’m back and I have to fix all the little mistakes people make, all the changes they fussed about with, all the lazy shortcuts that make my job harder.

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Pretty much. Out of EVERY person I’ve met via this hobby, which is probably into the thousands at this point over twenty odd years, I’ve met one idiot who is like the gibbering idiots online.

One. In almost twenty years of going to stores, clubs and large events.

Hell, I encounter cheaters more often than I do internet nutjobs.

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The imperial infantryman’s uplifting primer is fun.

At least play up their secular transhuman aspect to shave off some of the DEUS VULT space knight crowd. There are chapters for that but it’s not all that they are.

Abuse at every level. At least be drukhari and enjoy it.

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Originally, in 3rd through to 5th, they were actually showing that the Imperial Church was slowly but surely gaining greater influence within the Space Marine chapters with each successive founding, as new generations of Chapters became increasingly religious.

Which is GOOD world building!

As of 9th edition, they’ve explicitly stated only the Black Templars are religious in that way. Which is terrible world building, it completely drains out any nuance from the setting.

And completely screws over minor chapters like the Fire Angels, who were A) a recent founding and B) saw the Emperor as a God.

It’s a completely asinine change.

Although it’s worth noting that Space Marines from their very base conception is that they are Space Knights doing Space Knight Things. That’ll never be shaken off.

And quite frankly I prefer them that way. I like the anachronism of future armour and feudalism.

God I’m such a bloody nerd.

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I’m still grateful for books like Rynn’s World, which has so many different viewpoints even within the one Chapter (Crimson Fists)
Even though they’re all transhuman, the likes of Kantor at least try and be beneficial and ‘good’, while the likes of Cortez fully embrace their ‘purpose’ as sentient weapons of war, and revel in it.

Coupled with the baseline humans viewpoint, you get a much more nuanced view of the Astartes, from blind worship to accepting their necessary (for the messed up 41st millenium, I must add) brand of evil.

As a tangent, I do find it ironic how the Internet can unironically fawn over literal monsters and villains the one second, and then turn into a screaming mob about something else the next.
As much as I love some facets of the net, MMOs and online gaming, I do think a lot of it was a mistake :pensive:

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Read Legacy of Dorn.,

You’ll thank me later.

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Doesn’t help that the highly memeable video games portray marines as worshipful of the god-skellington as the ecclisiarchy.

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Mini stole all the bottom of the quilt this morning and had wrapped himself up into a ball.

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Making a decent looking male Shepherd is perhaps one of the hardest things ever.

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Making decent looking men in video games is difficult in general.

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By far more so than the rest of the setting. They had no economic injustice. Their caste system was one in name only, because there was no bottom caste, and it was more like a distribution of labour based on physical characteristics and personal suitability (the rule of the ethereals being questionable, but that is better than savage tyranny - they ensure everyone is cared for, after all). The fact that they simply offer other races to join, while letting them keep their culture, religion etc., is way ahead of anyone else.

I know, it’s just unfortunate that that particular example plays so well into the hands of reactionary paranoia.

They are way more common than you think they are, because they like to hide their power level.

One reason 40k is tiring is because I tire of, well

This https://i.imgur.com/d2blgOT.png

And this https://i.imgur.com/zHcGsrj.png

And this https://i.gyazo.com/2b52162d273ec3a864002e3809416f6b.png

And this https://i.redd.it/glx1xdkeh5351.png

I assume you can see why it’s offputting.

For the most part that is a good idea. Luckily with AoS (see below), and communities that actually make sure to not tolerate the intolerant, it’s fine.

It is no surprise that it lacks the depth of WHFB, it has a few years of development to draw upon whereas WHFB had several decades. It’ll get there, and imo it’s already fantastic in many ways.

That was a big reason at first. Even I didn’t like it just because I was sad over the loss of WHFB and associated AoS too much with that. Then I gave it an actual chance and hey, it’s not so bad!

Nowadays I find people so predictable that if someone spouts hate against AoS there’s a 95% chance they also scream that cultural marxism is destroying western society. As a setting it just doesn’t appeal to reactionaries. Which is a HUGE plus in its favour.

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All of that is with the knowledge that there is a very large gun pressed to the nape your neck. Same as the Imperium.

All of that what you just typed just tells me you need to get off the internet and play some Warhammer. You will feel so much better for it. Because the kind of dregs you find on the internet are quite simply not out and about in the open world of actually playing the game.

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Sorry, but this is a free country (or something), I am allowed to be annoyed when a find a fun game/setting and want to engage in communities about it online only to find them infested with lunatics.

What a crazy reaction, I know. Totally out there. Engaging in… online communities? Related to a game one likes?! Who here would be insane enough to do that?

They are the least bad, that does not make them heroes by real-world standards.

(Only ogres are.)

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Not what I meant. You seem like you honestly would be better off playing some games, engaging in the hobby, instead of getting worked up over a bunch of idiots who’s only major skill is the ability to shout loudly.

And I genuinely mean that in the best possible way. Hell, I used to be similar ( from the other side of the aisle no less, imagine that ), and it just got so bloody stupid, exhausting and more importantly, mentally draining.

Cutting myself off from all that improved things immeasurably.

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Oh believe me, I’m spamming the hell out of Ironbreakers when I can. Problem is that most of my armies that got them are far away from the front, so I managed to confederate dwarven holds nearby, but most of their armies consist of either warriors or Longbeards, and waiting ten turns to recruit Ironbreakers from elsewhere is a bit much.

Still, the Skaven-problem has almost been solved. Got three armies with Ironbreakers and Irondrakes , Organ Guns and Flame Cannons converging on their last hold, and I’ve got Ungrim and Belegar ( whom I also managed to confederate into my ranks) as well as Thorgrim and Grombrindral converging on Skavenblight. I wonder how many armies I’ll need to breach that.

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It’s worse than I remembered…