Pet peeves: The return (Part 2)

[Levey-argent-dawn (Levey)]

@Fentonius-argent-dawn

What movie or show have I missed growing up that gave everyone the idea that werewolves have tails?

The furry fandom?

[Elenthas-argent-dawn (Elenthas)]

@Fentonius-argent-dawn

A big part of the werewolf trope is that they dont have tails.

I mean, is it though? Is that a key part of their existence in the popular brainspace?

Also DnD werewolves sometimes have tails:
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/forgottenrealms/images/4/4a/Lycanthropes2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110806071141 (also wererats on left, werebears on right)
And sometimes they don’t
https://www.dndbeyond.com/avatars/thumbnails/0/74/1000/1000/636252734224239957.jpeg

Pathfinder werewolves have tails
https://2e.aonprd.com/Images/Monsters/Werecreature_Werewolf.png

Also Worgen occasionally do have tails, per this Hearthstone art…
https://preview.redd.it/ymul98drvtu51.jpg?auto=webp&s=385229d60ea899bba8f00cb7cea52d7ed9bf4cb4

Also Skyrim werewolves have tails
https://skyrim.wiki.fextralife.com/file/Skyrim/Werewolf1.jpg

[Fentonius-argent-dawn (Fentonius)]

[Aldru-argent-dawn (Aldru)]

@Lintian-argent-dawn

Others have said it before, but I really appreciate that the game respects your time and doesn’t* throw meaningless fetch quests and currency grinds at you just to stretch out your playtime.

It has a lot of cutscenes, but they do advance the story.

I started playing in July, yet I haven’t even finished MSQ by now, half a year later. I’m still halfway into Shadowbringers. And the only reason I feel any rush at all to finish it is because I’d like to be able to RP without fearing spoilers, and to incorporate latest lore into my RP.

Not to mention they often put in warnings about multiple cutscenes in a row sequences, really does respect your time compared to other MMOs, but I guess being an RPG first and foremost does that.

Idekr when I started, but I finished MSQ because brain wouldn’t let me do otherwise and I got engrossed into the story once I actually gave the game a proper go from SB onwards (TECHNICALLY end of HW but shhh).

@Ilyana-argent-dawn

I keep trying to revive my poor Harvest Witch, but her so-called feral form is murder on my enthusiasm.

I considered race changing worgen when I came back to Alliance and moved to AD, but old models at the time and the previews for the new models didn’t really sway me.
I made the mistake of having been worgen before but gods they’re just not good.

@Elenthas-argent-dawn

Also Skyrim werewolves have tails

Morrowind ones are superior (and also have tails)
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/elderscrolls/images/4/49/Siege_of_Skaal_Village.png/revision/latest?cb=20121111033349

[Fentonius-argent-dawn (Fentonius)]

Don’t imitate those who are objectively wrong. Werewolves ought to be hulking inhuman beasts, offputting to both man and animal alike in that they are wrong in every aspect. If you stick a tail on them they’re just a walking, talking wolf and now we’re just in uncanny valley furry territory. Yeah this is my hill and I will be blown into atoms upon it before I yield. What’s next, thin, scholarly orcs who do not have tusks? #notails

[Pickpawkit-argent-dawn]

Firstly, there’s Henry Boguet in “Of the Metamorphosis of Men into Beasts,” from 1590 (my version was republished in A Lycanthropy Reader: Werewolves in Western Culture , edited and compiled by Charlotte F. Otten). On page 79 of this edition, Boguet marks a difference between werewolves and witches that have turned into wolves, repeating a common belief that, when witches turn into animals, they have “no tails.”

Descriptions of werewolves in folklore frequently refer to tails, or else refer to the werewolf as simply a “wolf” and thus lead us to assume they must have a tail, or such a radical difference would’ve been noticed by the narrator (Niceros’s tale, Bisclavret, Melion, the curse of Lykaon, Chinese legends, and many more).

Even for things like Hollywood, a majority the werewolves from such films had tails.

[Elenthas-argent-dawn (Elenthas)]

Continuing on while I tick off fantasy settings I’m vaguely familiar with:

Dragon Age Werewolves: Tailless
Diablo Werewolves: Tailed (both in D2 and D2:R)
When Sonic turns into a wolfhog “werehog” his tail does not grow noticably.
Lord of the Rings werewolves…do have tails! (https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Werewolves)
Witcher werewolves do appear to have (very small) tails https://i2.wp.com/werewolf-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/the-witcher-3-enemies.jpg
Werewolves in Werewolf: The Apocalypse (from the World of Darkness TTRPGs) seem to have tails from what I can tell.
Harry Potter: Tailless

And I’m sure there’s plenty of other variation besides.

@Fentonius-argent-dawn

objectively wrong

oh yeah forgot that werewolves were real sorry

[Fentonius-argent-dawn (Fentonius)]

I forgive you.

Edit: For every source I find about werewolves not having tails (or saying it doesn’t matter) there is an absurd amount of posts from people saying they have trouble believing a werewolf could support itself without a tail. I feel like I stumbled upon some Q-anon level hivethink but it’s all about werewolf balancing and that if the werewolf doesn’t have a tail it’s impossible for them to believe such a thing would exist in their fictional worlds.

What a time.

[Elenthas-argent-dawn (Elenthas)]

Don’t really care about “physical balance” or whatever, I just think current worgen would look better with a tail, having looked at a number of fan mockups of it, and that giving them an option is good for players who want it.

[Pickpawkit-argent-dawn]

@Fentonius-argent-dawn

Q-anon level hivethink

It’s very weird to start comparing discussion about a fantasy race and how the mythos you claimed ‘doesn’t have a tail’ but there’s plenty of examples of there being tails is weird to me. We’re not the ones denying that there is some myths, folklore, etc that has werewolves being without tails, we’re simply stating there there is evidence for tails and it feels weird to try to deny that. Think the whole argument you tried to push onto others is more applicable to yourself.

Having the option to have a tail, and continuing to have the option for tailless really doesn’t hurt anybody except the people that for some reason have really strong feelings on why they shouldn’t have tails.

[Zelarion-argent-dawn]

Why do female worgen have the anime fang thing going on.

[Hennag-argent-dawn]

Because males big stronk frightening cursed beast, females cute fluffy.

[Distantpeak-argent-dawn (Distantpeak)]

Link some mock ups, I like to see what people do that Blizzard don’t.

[Aldru-argent-dawn (Aldru)]

Because they have to be “sexy” and “feminine” to fit the barbie mold of all the other female races in WoW, likewise how males all have to be big burly and look like they’re on steroids for that ultra masculine fantasy.

[Fentonius-argent-dawn (Fentonius)]

I’m not talking about you, I’m saying that I found discussion forums (including that tumblr blog you linked earlier) going back decades where people are mainly concerned about werewolves not being able to walk, somehow, without a tail. And that’s funny to me.

[Distantpeak-argent-dawn (Distantpeak)]

@Aldru-argent-dawn

barbie mold of all the other female races in WoW

I wouldn’t call orcs, tauren, dwarves or Kul Tirans barbie like.

[Aldru-argent-dawn (Aldru)]

They are the exception to the rule but still fall under the umbrella of “pretty” female with brutish male (That said KT and Dwarf males are dope as heck, orcs are SHOULDERS)

[Akamito-argent-dawn (Akamito)]

they still managed to give female tauren an hourglass figure though which i’ve always thought looked a bit weird

[Distantpeak-argent-dawn (Distantpeak)]

I forgot gnomes.

Which leads to most females actually not being particularly babrie like.
And some can be haggard looking.

@Akamito-argent-dawn

which i’ve always thought looked a bit weird

Belts look awful if they’re wide ones.

[Akamito-argent-dawn (Akamito)]

@Distantpeak-argent-dawn

gnomes.

@Distantpeak-argent-dawn

some can be haggard looking.

https://i.imgur.com/QpHTVZs.jpg