Pet peeves: The return (Part 6)

other girl with the short hair is also cute. but she just can’t compete right now

also i think red head has that haru mega corp money that i missed out on in 5. gotta get that bag

I know nothing about Persona. Who-

-Quick Google-

…And she has a sword?
…Please, continue :eyes:

It really gets the crab juice flowing.

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A rapier, specifically!

Her All-Out Attack graphic is particularly nice

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I can confirm this from personal experience.

When strangers, back in Russia, used to ask in person if I had a husband, I would tell them I had a wife, as if that was something completely ordinary and non-noteworthy. And even the most average joes and janes were quick to assure me that they had nothing against “nontraditional relationships”, no, really, as if I doubted them!

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Could you explain this one?

It is in reference to this.


Buddy’s vet appointment for blood work is in a mo, mum said she’d call me and say how it goes.
Still holding a sliver of hope that it’s something that can be fixed. But his muscles in his back legs seem to be wasting away faster than the rest of his body losing weight so my hope isn’t high.

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I don’t like being That Person, but I don’t buy this “all labels are valid, no matter how outlandish” narrative that seems to be popular among Kids These Days™.

I find “it” dehumanizing and would treat people using it the same way I would treat people using silly neopronouns: by avoiding third-person pronouns altogether.

(Not that I’ve ever seen anyone unironically use “it” or neopronouns in real life.)

(Also why can’t we switch to a language with one third-person pronoun that’s good for everyone, like Finnish)

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Under usual circumstances I agree and it is generally dehumanizing. But some people do like to take things and turn it around. So if I know someone has deliberately chosen that they want to be referred like that, then I will simply do so.

There might be and will be things I don’t really get either, but people having the right to choose their identity and display it is very important, especially among youths or younger people. I don’t see the harm in just accepting it even if it’s something I might not personally get.

98% of the time the answer is tradition and people don’t like breaking tradition because “its always been like this”.

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For good reference; ‘they/them’ is not a thing in the Dutch language, traditionally, and before people started using the literal translation of the English pronouns (in Dutch they until then only applied to multiple people, unlike the singular history of the words in English) there was a brief window in time were people did, in fact, use ‘het’ (‘it’) as their preferred pronoun, I’ve seen it used a few times (in a non ‘hehe parodying the woke hehe’ context)

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A detailed reply to this post would be very philosophical and too long for these margins, so all I’ll say is that I don’t find it that simple.

I find singular they a nightmare to translate into Russian (which doesn’t have an established literary tradition for translating statements about nonbinary people), and the only good solution I’ve figured out so far is going out of my way to rephrase the text to avoid third-person pronouns altogether.

That said, if I woke up tomorrow and found that all third-person pronouns except they disappeared from the English language and nobody but me remembered they had ever existed, I wouldn’t shed tears.

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That’s fair enough :slight_smile: I am aware my thought process on some matters can come across a very simplistic and it kinda is. It’s just generally how I view some things.

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Embrace simplicity.

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In short, the harm is giving the phobes ammunition. I’ve noticed a lot of people that took on the movement’s aesthetic once it took swing, as though it was a fad. This simultaneously irks me - because in a way it makes light of our struggle - and pleases the part of me that recognises the movement’s core tenet, which is intellectual liberation. That you can choose to be whatever you want even if you don’t feel the need to change.

But this leads to people appropriating the struggle as an aesthetic in their own exploration of identity. It also breeds the really weird and toxic twitter crowd while many of whom have suffered, I find so many of them to be persons of low moral character whom I would not wish to be surrounded by in real life.

And the phobies see them and start spewing propaganda that equates them to the rest of the community. ‘See? I told you guys these t words were nutjobs.’

I don’t like preaching about how people should live their lives, but I do reserve the right to conduct my judgements. And my judgements say that we’ve entered a phase where a bit of nuance would be nice.

And to all “what do you care what the phobies think” argumenters: Of course I care. Who are we trying to convince here anyways? I wish I didn’t have to but not long ago people had to slaughter each other for bread and that’s way worse. I neither want nor intend to live in a bubble.

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heh

As with many things, it receives a disproportionate amount of internet attention for something that just doesn’t crop up at all once you go outside.

Such is the way of things driven by algorithms…

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I personally don’t enjoy the term ‘it’ when referring to someone, either. But I’ve seen it being used quite a few times, and if that’s what people want then so be it for them. They can do as they please and I can’t really dictate things to them because they’re not in my life sort of thing.

Eeeeeh.

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Please do not misunderstand me to take it as against you with what I’m gonna post next, because I do understand the point you’re making and your thoughts.

But simultaneously, I also feel weary to fall into this kind of thinking because it runs alot of risk of falling into the same trappings as the feminist movement did, with the older generation being aggressive and hostile towards younger women for “having it too easy and never had the struggles” or how the TERFs are acting towards transwomen.

My general belief is that the core of the movements is what matters, in this case, the exploration and free sense of identity. Yes, I understand absolutely it can be really frustrating to see people treating it as something cool and hip rather than sincere, but at the same time, I do feel that is a small thing to put up with compared to the bigger victory of letting people who have even more different views on identity flourish too.

A movement towards progression or freedom and similar is not owned by those who came first or pushed the initial struggles. And it will change over time.

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I don’t care about the opinion of actively hateful people who go out of the way to ruin the lives of already vulnerable people.

I absolutely care about the opinion of average people on the street — the kind who just quietly live their lives in society, read or watch mainstream news, and just kind of passively absorb beliefs about unconventional people from their peers because they haven’t had personal experiences with them.

From my experience, most people don’t have a strong opinion on most things that aren’t related to their immediate everyday concerns. When they see that lesbians (and feminists, and atheists, and migrants, and whatever else outgroup I happen to represent at any particular moment) are just people like them, who on average look like everyone else, wake up, go to work, hang out with their friends and watch movies with them and so on, it speaks louder to them than foul-mouthed political pundits ever would.

Vocal minorities of terminally online people with fringe views, on the other hand, breed alienation and push the undecided to radicalize to the opposite extreme. And the algorithms, indeed, are skewered to feast on mutual outrage and make it disproportionately overrepresented.

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I am 100% sure we’ve had this discussion / disagreement before so all I’ll say on the topic is that - from my pov - it is more dehumanising to dispute someone’s chosen pronouns for the sake of your own perspective than to simply shelve your discomfort and go by how they choose to identify.

Have I ever met someone who uses it/its as their pronouns? No. Do I really get it? Also no. Would I respect it anyway? Yes, the alternative is less pleasant.

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