I drop out of combat and go shadowmeld but Voidwalker still has me targeted and breaks my shadowmeld. Is this really in line with the reference client?
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Shadowmeld is only +1 stealth level, are you sure you are far enough away from the pet that it can’t see through your stealth?
Felhunter has for instance very, very high stealth detection.
I was at least 50 yards away. They’ve done a terrible job coding all pet classes, they’re showing as neutral if you’re far away from the pets master.
This is correlated to how rogues Vanish wouldnt have effect on pets as well. Pets wouldn’t lose track of Rogues.
Vanish is a combat breaking stealth.
Shadowmeld is not.
Get back to us with vids showing vanish not loosing pet agro.
This is normal. If a pet has you in their threat table and you use stealth/shadowmeld they’ll come after you (even if they kill some other target first).
I can personally guarantee it’s bugged as hell (and I’m not talking about pets in melee range hitting you), but in general Vanish works ok regarding pets.
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Everybody will say it’s working as intended but this has never been the case. This is a legit bug and you will get trolled by hunters and warlocks for trying to get it fixed.
You can check the bluepost with all the bugs which are not a bug and this one is not listed in there.
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Well, they don’t know all bugs but that aside…
If this is the scenario…
They send their pet at you
You are not in combat
You shadowmeld
The pet still attacks
That’s how I remember it working. Only vanish and feign will completely break the aggro. I could be wrong though. It was a long time ago.
So many people claiming it’s bugged when they don’t know about the many fun things you could do to counter it in vanilla. It’s the same with feign death, it’s possible to prevent the trap just by being quick on hitting the hunter as they use it, by clicking to hit the hunter again with a right-click or by using an instant ability after targeting them.
Vanish however has been hotfixed already, so now all you’ve got left is the fun stuff you can do to break it.
https://classic.wowhead.com/news=296380/vanish-hotfix-now-in-effect-bugfix-for-enemies-not-dropping-target
Demoralizing shout doesn’t break stealth for example, but piercing howl does (warrior talent), and it breaks it instantly (doesn’t break the vanish effect, but as soon as vanish has expired and is supposed to go to stealth automatically, it doesn’t go to stealth due to the piercing howl) which many retail players gets really confused about.
There are other tricks to get 'em out, but that’s basically how it goes.
Stealth worked that way with pets in at least Vanilla and TBC. I especially remember it being frustrating in arena as a rogue (TBC). Don’t know beyond TBC since I quit playing rogue at the end of the expac.
There are even recordings showing pets following those going into stealth from back in 2005 & 2006 so that aint a bug it just depends range from pet before you take that action and if ur stealth level is high enough.
Thus not a bug.
Stealth detection has nothing to do with it, if someone goes stealth you lose the target, so a pet would always go back to its master once the target went stealth. But it doesn’t, simply because its either a bug or an intended inconsistency in stealth mechanics.
But you can’t cast shadowmeld in combat in the first place…
That’s neither here nor there, it drops the target but think of it more as a pvp thing. The encoded combat doesn’t break however. You’re still stuck in the retail mindset, where omnipotent abilities run rampant and nothing can be countered with another ability and must instead be countered with LoS behind a pillar for 5 hours every fight.
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There are recordings uploaded in 2005 & 2006 and even in TBC where pets followed stealthed targets so this is intended behavior. your mindset as someone wise stated is mixed or stuck in retail.
if you got a subscription u can watch a lot of old wow uploads on warcraftmovies, or you can scan youtube although no filter to search for upload year in specific on youtube. Think elitistjerks old website had a segment about it but u would need to use google archives as that site isnt up anymore aside from googles history remains from the archives storing old website states.
In the end it all works as intended when it comes to stealth, exiting combat and keep in mind FD has a fail/miss chance.
How am I stuck in the retail mindset if I don’t play retail? The heck are you on about, lol.
I did say it might be intended, so I’m not sure what you mean when you’re talking about my mindset, that didn’t make much sense to be honest.
You don’t need to be playing retail to be stuck in that mindset… Face, meet palm. Palm, hit face. Facepalm
Go find a rogue a few levels lower than you target him and have him stealth (not vanish), did you loose target? no, because even though he is in stealth you can still see him.
Ok, great. I still don’t see what was the point of your post when I pointed out that shadowmeld doesn’t need to break combat because it can’t be cast in combat in the first place. I suspect you just either didn’t read my post or didn’t put much thought into yours. Try again.
I know how stealth detection works. That’s not what the thread is about.
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This isn’t true. At least not in PvE scenarios with mobs using it.
What you fail to realise is even though YOU are out of combat, it doesn’t mean the pet is. The pet has already entered it when it’s chasing after you, and since it doesn’t break combat like vanish, it’ll chase after you even though YOU weren’t in combat when you used it.
Facepalm says hello again.