Phase 4 is good

Wins - all pve related - heat levels, raid, dungeon and new dungeon set plus currency is all great.

loose- pvp related- max rank 10, leaving you with rare mount. only 1 rank below epic mount. set bonuses for pvp gear should have been improved it does not compete in pvp with pve gear. 2pc set bonus could be 50% stronger and 6 pc bonus should be like 60-80stam.(20 is low in this bursty game). AB and WSG honor sould be boosted.

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Yeah… the heat lvls are amazing. Everyone loves collecting tier 0, then 0.5, and then putting all that in the bank, and farming FR Gear… its on the lvl of underwater content. We all love that too, right ? Riiiiight ?

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It is not supposed to. PvP offers some good pieces but you need to play the actual game to get the best rewards

which pieces exactly are those? besides probably djb.
Also, how will the changes he suggested (+20ap/10sp and 60-80stam) affect your “actual game” that’s mostly spamming 2-3 spells on tact-less bosses?

Also, it wasn’t supposed to have every set updated besides pvp one, right?

Quite a few decent pieces in fact, from ranking gear some of which is even pre-BiS, to reputation rewards some of which are or have been pre-BiS

Also I have not said anything about the OP’s suggested changes, just pointed out the fact that you were never intended to get best gear from doing PvP alone

Yea but which are those pieces exactly? half of the set btw is out-matched in pve by ST 3p set, just saying
also, pre-bis? rly? all that fuzz because 1 item out of 15 could be pre-bis that will be replaced sooner or later?
the only piece that could actually be decent for everyone is the wsg pants that … insert drums here … aren’t even in the game

If you simply equip rank 10 gear you are pretty much in decent shape to do MC HL1

haven’t even used a single piece from r10 when i stepped in mc cause my ST and couple t0 (NOT 0.5) just out matched it
edit: tbf i used a pvp piece, ab rep shoulders. that everyone could farm in 2 phases (that’s literally 5 months) by doing stv once or twice per week. alrdy replaced them

Yeah ST is better. The previous raid equipment is always pre-raid BiS for the current raid, what did you expect? I said not best, but good. For hunters, for example, 2 pieces of ranking gear are straight up pre-raid BiS. Don Julio’s band is also pre-bis for melees AFAIK . WSG offers good melee options for rogues that are either pre-BiS or comparable to it. These are just those I know of.

In other words, PvP offers quite a few good options and you can even basically get MC-ready by just doing PvP and a couple quests

you can get mc ready just by breathing in this game mate. running around gathering ores and skins can get you mc ready (not to mention it’s WAY more mandatory than pvp now with h2-3, or even dung/questing for 0.5)
does that mean we are not supposed to change a set that was supposed to be the pvp option for those that want to pvp, eventho we’ve changed the whole combat log in terms of numbers, to make it a bit more on par with the said numbers coming from every side in bgs?

I never said anything about any changes. I even agree that P4 is really good. I just said PvP items are not meant to compete with current tier raid rewards

I see, a set designed for pvp is not meant to compete with pve when used in pvp.
Now I get it, guess pve heroes want to get carried by tier sets just because they rolled higher or their e-bf hr’d their tiers. Point taken.

This is an MMO RPG, if you want the best loot you need to gather large groups of highly prepared people and take on the local demigods, sorry

It’s also a game originated from the conflict between orcs and humans and it’s called world of WARcraft (see the war in it?).
Can give the nerd/retarded/“lore”-based answers too

This has nothing to do with lore, you are just not supposed to get the best loot by solo queueing a minigame and afking in it

Dunno, raiding seems and feels more afk-mode to me, rogues literally press only muti-envenom, ferals shred-rip, mages bael-living bomb etc. The moment they have to move an inch they are dead cause they can’t find their movement keys. Not to mention they need special preparations to do a chain cc, like moving the cc skill to a hotkey.

Then do not play classic, this is the foundation of gameplay here. Plenty of mechanically challenging content you can play in retail - or Elden Ring, if you have a good taste in games

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Not playing classic, i play Season of Discovery. New spells, items, sets and more.

SoD is a classic+ beta, the basics of Classic apply here. People come here to click braindead rotations, do chores and gather in crowds to beat up a raid once a week. Nothing mechanically challenging to find here.

All of it is beside the point, the point is that in an MMO you should not be able to obtain BiS by just solo queuing

basics of classic cata too? where pvp sets are competitive in pvp? or that classic version doesn’t suit our needs and story?

so, let me see if i get it (apparently i’m trying to learn what gaming and rewards are like in 2024, after 20+ years of gaming): having some ppl afk’ing, which can be reported and get banned or at least get kicked, is a reason to not reward pvp with competitive in PVP sets, but having almost all classes using 2-3skills per fight with no big challenges should reward the best gear for both pve and pvp.

dunno if you’ve played any bg recently, but you play with a team too (and you can also gather it just like you do in raids). solo que is there in order to grp players faster instead of having the mess of looking for grp through chat. Both choices (premade/solo) lead to team fights. So, yea solo queing doesn’t exactly mean solo content if that’s what you are trying to say by saying “you should not be able to obtain BiS by just solo queuing”. (and we are not even talking about BiS here, but for pvp sets being competitive in pvp)

Is there a “magna carta” or smt like that for what should and shouldn’t be rewarded in MMOs in general?

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