Hi, so chatting this morning with guild member who does not do raids or M+ content but is doing the delves, it turns out you cannot get many crests to upgrade the gear a lvl 8 delve drops, and has been suggested this is silly, would it possible for delves to drop the crests needed for them to upgrade the items they get rewarded, seems a bit of an oversight, HC boss drops 10 or 15 once per week, so thought 8 once per delve per week would be resonable
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As a Delve player /solo content player currently I’m going to take a break for Season 2 since i Already finished everything in term of gearing .
Majority of Delve players going to hit 619 ilvl probably in 3/4 weeks and without anything further to do, taking a break is a wise choice .
Gearing 2/3 alt’s in Delve is beyond stupid since there is literality nothing to do with them ~ gear help with making progress and since tier 8 is the top is pointless .
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yes. i guess ill finish the achievements, the reward from running and some alt gearing and ill go just to run some delve for fun here and there.
Maybe in season 2 they will somethin interesting. maybe…
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8 dveles do drop crests for hero gear.
But the drop chance is very low.
But you get around 2-3 only if ur lucky.
Im fine with 8 per week and wont affect me at all. (i usually do only m+ and raids).
But the question is if ppl will think it will be enought and if you need to do x amount dveles each week to obtain theese 8 crests. Also should it behind a weekly quest maybe?
Also you need 15 per upgrade so each 2nd week you will obtain 1 upgrade. So maybe 15 would be better?
There is always a limit to what level you can upgrade to and at that point you either accept you’ve reached your limit or you look at doing content to get the higher crests needed.
Not everyone wants to do the content required to go to the next level and that’s fine.
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The main problem are my hours work-time and i cannot raid Afternoon~
So not possible for Mythic Raiding and even Heroic with my schedule .
And as for M+ you already see the toxicity and the bad plays especially if you wanna start doing them .
I tried 4 m+ low lvl … and imagine .(For the weekly)
1st 2 m+…tanks leaves after bad play…pulling extra etc.
The other was the healer that probably never healed before and with zero heals he quit .
i completed one +2 .
Overall dmg 608 ilvl Dh 228k dmg (i think is a bit low ) Sp 604 ilvl 440k(reasonable_) and tank 470k . I ended with 1.17 mill dmg (quite reasonable for my Gear i believe )
So having 2 hours wasted without achieving anything and mostly not having fun is a big minus .
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If you want to do m plus in a toxic free environment I highly recommend joining one of the communities. Some of them also do raids.
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I think they’ll buff it. They have to ease people in, if they just gave amazing loot right off the bat the loot goblins would put out levels of salt so high it could potentially kill people.
It’s pretty suspicious that they made levels beyond 8 but didn’t make them give better loot. If it was me I’d get the most out of making people do t8 then once the well runs dry add better loot to the higher tiers. That will maximise sub money and smooth out the rise of salt levels.
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I sure hope so, cuz if they go the other direction what they’ll get instead is people leaving.
I get it you are trying to help, but that is not a solution. I am not touching Discord with a 20 foot pole. And why is an external app required to play WoW ?
Even if both of these issues didn’t exist, isn’t that basically Guilds v2.0 ? We already have guilds why another type ?
And even if the last point was moot, this does not solve the issue, all it does it funnel people away from it. The ones that don’t join the fancy club will still be left in the dirt, with even less willing and/or capable players to play with.
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I don’t understand the aversion to other sources but that’s your choice. Do people never use wowhead to look things up, or see what the latest builds are, or keep up to date with their class changes etc.
Guilds used message boards and third party comms for years while playing WoW. Now it’s really handy with Discord it’s kind of rolled into one. Many of those communities have in game communities too.
Either you want to avoid toxicity or you want pug without the safety of a community. Otherwise it’s a case of accept you’ve reached the limit of what you personally are willing to do in game.
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Its not an external app. Its just a chatting platform cause Blizzard’s “1990s pager type texting” is so outdated that for any community to even try to organize something…
Well want a free taste? Open services channel and try reading 1 sentence before it disappears in the ocean of others…
Except it isn’t, Discord is not part of the WoW installation, unless I am severely mistaken. I have my reasons for not using it and this also shows why it is a bad idea to rely on third-party tools to fix ingame issues. Because some people might not like them. If it is that essential to play WoW, put it in the game.
A fancy way of saying it’s that or there is nothing more for you. Fine.
I have not reached any of my limits, not even close, gameplay wise. The issue is there is nowhere in game where I can put them in use AND find it fun to do. Mythic+ is a test of skill (and gear) but I find the timer-chasing … how shall I put it mildly… not fun. And I don’t have the time and nerves for raiding anymore.
Now delves are something I can do, but we are (again) treated as peasant class and restricted on what we can get. If they offered a way to get scale infinitely (or finitely) to get all gear and I fail to get it, that’s one thing. But we are, effectively, yet again, denied access to all gear, despite both raiding and M+ having access to it. The 3 Guilded crests per map is not access and everyone knows that. You’d have to essentially destroy your health and sleep schedule to get the crests that way. That’s the issue.
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It is an external app, it is not in the game. No matter how you put it.
Then perhaps Blizzard should fix their stuff, if it is required in game. Not my problem.
I know how it is. We used Ventrillo and Team Speak back in the day, because the in game one was bad. But that was for progression raiding.
Message board and mumble, teamspeak etc weren’t built into wow either but we managed for years with third party sources.
It is not essential, but it’s essential for what you want. Namely a toxic free environment. Group Finder is essential for doing M Plus, discord is just an advantage for a better experience and better coordination.
A limit doesn’t have to be skill based, no one has made any judgement about your skill level. You aren’t denied access to anything. You can sign up like anyone else, you can push your own key and be as picky as you like with groups too. Pugging will always be an unknown faction with the highest risk of toxicity or disbanding.
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but what’s the problem? is like using wowhead to find an unfindable treasure.
Or an addon.
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Except I liked those apps. If I didn’t, I would’ve quit WoW right then and there.
And it’s in the game.
So what you are saying is I am limiting myself because I don’t like doing M+.
I get it, case closed. I guess the game is not for me, then. Figured.
As long as I do content I don’t like. And join the Toxic Express bandwagon. This doesn’t solve anything now, does it ?
Funny thing is I don’t even mind the toxicity in PuGs anymore, am I pretty immune to it after so many years. That’s not the problem. The problem is the “third pillar of WoW” is only half pillar.
We’ll see how it goes up to season 2, hopefully things improve but I doubt it. Blizzard doing Blizzard things again.
Yes group finder, it’s in the game, exactly like I explained the actual essential part is in the game. Discord is NOT essential.
First you said it was toxicity that put you off M+ and we offered solutions, you are now saying you don’t enjoy M+ and outright don’t want to do it. That’s perfectly fine. However, that means you’ve reached the limit of what you are willing to do in game to gear up.
We all have our limits. I’m never going to be a high end Mythic Raider. I’m a clear heroic, dabble with some mythic bosses kind of raider. That is my limit. Same goes for keys.
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Addons work inside the WoW client and just automate things or make things more accessible. You can do anything an addon does yourself without it, if you wish so.
WoWHead is a site and not essential. And you have alternative sites, if you don’t like it.
Discord deserves a separate cauldron in hell.
mmm but addons in fact are separate. and wowhead in fact is almost (ok if we dont consider youtube) the only one with proper info.
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Blizzard is never gonna even remotely attempt to program the capabilities of Discord into the wow client, forget it. Also? Who are you to dictate, which social media players use to communicate? Communities are essential for a game like wow. If I’m not mistaken, wow was also one of the first phenomena on the internet, that had international people forming big virtual commumities in general
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