No. If you sell, the bot undercuts. If you buy, the bot sells to you. All your interactions are with a bot. My point is that futures don’t change anything because we have to attack a different thing.
Does it matter?
Tbh, I doubt there will be much bots even if blizzard will allow it, 90% will be normal people and bots will have maybe some advantage but nothing overwhelming.
I meant a human person who spends all his time playing the AH. Which was your original complaint (and the complaint of many others), which I am trying to solve. I think futures don’t help solve it. As I said, I would attack mass-scans and mass-posts.
I have to repeat myself. Futures will allow ‘sell, then buy’ kind of trading, which is what will work in current market (with non-stop declining prices). Right now I can only ‘buy, then sell’ which is pointless because prices keep dropping.
Sorry, maybe I am being dense, but could you explain just one more time how exactly they allow this ‘sell, then buy’? Right now you post items. The problem is, you are getting undercut all the time and don’t sell much. Correct? So, fine, we change it to futures. Someone posts a desire to buy an item. And you will try to fulfill it. But you will lose a race again, to the same person who is undercutting you now. So you won’t sell much with futures either. So what changes? I honestly don’t see it.
If you do not produce anything - why do you think you deserve any profit?
People do flipping from time to time when they buy out limited supply of high demand material and relist it for much higher price.
Sometimes they profit form it and sometimes when they do so there is always someone who will list 1 of this item at at time for much lower price from time to time until one of the grinders also uses this price and drops the whole market for said item to initial or even lower and very few people will have sympathy for a flipper that lost money on their machinations because they are just leeches on the healthy economy.
From my personal perspective - I have no problem to pay a bit extra for some rare item like old enchant (because it’s quite a hassle for seller to relist unpopular item endlessly), but if prices are too high compared to the trouble of production and it’s clear pure greed on the sellers part (enabled by situational monopoly) I will go out of my way to make a point learn the recipe and mass produce the item and plummet the price into oblivion.
Not really. How is that a problem? You just post it again and thats it. I have two r1 leggies posted and since yesterday they are still at the top. And I’m playing on a mid-high pop server. Ofc potions etc. are frequently being reposted by others, but its the cost of playing AH (your time). So where is the problem?
Well, I am not saying this is a problem in the global sense of the word. Just that this is a problem for whoever wants to sell without relisting a lot of times. Right now we have mass-posts which result in tons of undercuts. So every sale is preceded by relisting multiple times. This is annoying for those who don’t want to relist.
Ehh, there will be enough buyers for both me and bots and everybody else. If buyers will go extinct price will go to 1 copper, which can never happen. Too many sellers will just mean price will go lower, but it still means that even selling cheap will be profitable because it will be even cheaper later (due to selling pressure).
When prices keep going down consistently shorting is free gold (until market reverses). Now it’s technically impossible to do it because shorting is not an option, so we can only watch prices plummet (and dream of what could be).
It is more of a philosophical question, but one reason why traders deserve something is that they keep economy healthy (instead of ‘prices keep going down forever’).
If you call ‘prices are going down forever’ healthy economy I don’t know what to say.
But any big whale will just buy all your stock cheaply and then sell it for 10x profits 
Problem is inability to take advantage of constantly dropping prices (which would be ultra easy if they allowed to short).
/disregard, I got it. Yes, maybe futures will help.
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Its annoying just for easily annoyed people, but if you don’t want to relist something means you don’t want to sell it. AH in its current state is that if you don’t like to relist your items you will barely sell anything and that is not a problem for those who actually want to sell something. Even with so-called “AH bots” who I haven’t met yet.
They will not go down forever - when they go down some people stop bothering producing or produce less - supply-demand ratio changes and prices go up. Also there is secondary resurgences on market when people finish with mains and start their alts. In general market is fully able to balance itself naturally.
And it is especially true for the market of consumables.
In most cases they create more problems for crafters, gatherers and consumers because they compete and overcomplicate market making it harder to participate for your average Joe.
If you get profit without creating anything yourself - it meant that you taking it from the others without providing anything in return.
Good luck selling all the stock of say Cata enchants that used only by a small twink bracket, it’ll probably will take you few years. Good time investment I say)
Not forever but to the level of vendor prices (if you sell to vendors), or to 1 copper as absolute minimum.
I’m not observing this. Prices only go down, except maybe transmogs (but they are very hard to sell). Also got some good trades on Neural Silencers (since supply is fairly limited) but those are more exceptions than rules. Any popular item gets insane supply from grinders that then compete with each other in whoever sells lower.
I’ve seen some enchants fluctuating between 100 and 200 gold but that’s it. And they were 500+ not that long ago, I guess sub 100 will be anytime now (what can stop that?).
How is it a problem if crafter can now sell for better price? (instead of competing in infinite price dumping wars with others). If anything, only buyers will complain, but on global scale that will boost economy since they’ll need to earn/find/grind more gold themselves, hence adding to economic activity of system. When crafters and gatherers are being made into cheap labor - system stagnates.
There are lots of professions in the world that “don’t create anything themselves”. How about medicine? What do, for example, surgeons, ‘create’? One can say ‘they create health’ but then one can also say ‘traders create health of economy’.
You’ll be surprised, but some of my ‘Porous stone’ and some old content meat gets sold time to time. AH fees mostly eat those profits, though.
The only time it’s profitable to sell is at the start of a patch while everyone is progressing. After that the prices go down pretty fast.
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