You cant compare one or a handful of streamers account sharing to thousands of people AFK scripting. One has absolutely no effect on the player base, the other is making a bad experience worse.
Whether this scenario is the fault of blizzard or not is irrelevant. In its current state, queues are just part of the game, why should some people sit in the queue wanting to play while others AFK script whilst asleep, etc. There is no justification for actively making other peoples playing experience worse. At the end of the day, we all pay the same subscription.
If one singular account is logged in 24 hours a day, by sharing their account with whoever and one other account is logged in 24 hours a day by AFK scripting, how is one not having an effect on the player base whil the other does?
How does the first person not deserve a ban the same way the second person does?
Both are breaking the ToS. Both are permanently occupying a spot on a server.
I donāt see your point, Iām sorry.
We do. So why are people allowed to account share, quite blatantly, while others arenāt?
If youāre calling for a ban on AFK scripters, call for a ban on account sharers as well. Yes, thereās a ton more of the AFK scripters, but a singular account sharing account does occupy exactly as much as a singular afk scripter. So a singular afk scripter does not deserve more or less of a punishment than a singular account thatās being shared.
But honestly? Why bother banning them, effectively losing money by pushing away players, rather than just fixing the root of the problem and not losing players at all?
+1, just remove the people jumping afk in towns, i have been 7 h in queue, I came home, tried to log in, and soon I have to go to bed, without being able to log in.
If there is no other solutions, just give us the option to skip queue with paying extra, I donāt care, like in Theme Parks, you can skip queue, if you pay extra ticket. Its nothing new.
Your defence of AFK scriptors seems to based around saying other people break TOS, why canāt we. I would think you donāt need me to tell you how illogical that is. As an example, you canāt commit a crime and base your defence around the fact that other people commit crimes, why canāt I.
Anyway, its besides the point. I couldnāt care less if people break TOS, thatās blizzards issue. What I do care about is people actively making the game worse for others, through pure selfishness. Itās as simple as that.
Iām not asking for these people to be banned, far from it. But some measure to kick them out of the game and back in the queue is absolutely needed.
First off, I do agree that when people are accountsharing that they have to get banned simply because it is against ToS.
Second you canāt really compare accountsharing with those afk scripters. Why? Because accountsharers are activily playing the game. They also hold up 1 spot on the server instead of 2, so lowering the queue. The scripters on the other hand are either, sleeping, working, doing other IRL stuff. They are not activily playing the game, just keeping their spot on the server, until they decide to play again.
On Golemagg this is a huge problem, maybe on other servers too. But I alone counted 54 people on my layer in the crossroads. We may have like 10 layers, maybe some more maybe a lot more. Thatās more or less 500 people afk in crossroads alone. Now count other hotspots on alliance and horde. To make it easy and underestimate. Letās take 8 hotspots total. With Ā±25 people afk on each layer. Thatās 2000 people holding up the queue. And you can be damn sure that the amount is more.
It was weird that the amount of the queue went up while more servers were added. So if blizzard want to do something about the queue, they might aswel give those people a couple of days ban. Freeing up the queue for the people that actually wait in line to play!
Iāll stop you right there and say Iām not defending any scriptors. I donāt care about them, just as I donāt care about account sharers, but they do commit a very very similar crime and do deserve the same type of punishment, if one of them deserves a punishment at all. I was pointing out a major hypocrisy. I wasnāt defending anybody, because why would I? That just seems like an unnecessary bother.
If you solve the root of the problem, there wonāt be any afk scripters at all. I donāt see how thatās such an unreasonable suggestion and thus Iāll make a metaphorical comparison.
Letās say you have a country where a way too high percentage of people abuse illegal performance enhancing drugs to reach their work quota, because your country doesnāt have proper employment standards. Do you:
A: Put the notable percentage of your population in jail, thus lose their taxes and lower future chances of receiving taxes from them
Does that matter? What matters to you, and everyone else who is calling for a ban (every ban is a potential money loss for Blizzard, keep that in mind) is that thereās this one Account holding up a spot, permanently. They do effectively the same, namely further prolong the login queues. If one deserves a punishment, the other does the same, but I do believe weāre on the same page regarding this statement.
Let me quote myself to give you my opinion on this statement.
If you punish the players here, youāll lose their subscriptions. Why? Because Blizzard is at fault for those login queues, whoever made the decision of putting up this few servers until the very end is at fault. And players are trying to play the game. Everyone wants to. If you now punish players for finding (illegal) ways to circumvent whatever is preventing these players from playing, rather than fixing the issue at its root, youāll lose a noteable percentage of those players. And thatās the last thing Blizzard as a company would want, I believe.
Permanent ban is the biggest punishment of the game. i think is too hard for someone that tried to stay online.
If you go to houses or inns or whatever the basements are full of people walking to walls jumping or strafing around continuously. the only thing they can do is make a script so they can monitor these behaviors and log them out.
I definitly understand your reasoning. But I doubt Blizzard is not brainstorming to solve this. Also I said to ban people a couple of days, to clear up the queue. In the end you are going against the ToS even though the reason your doing is ājustifiedā.
We can also see it like the following. My government fails to help the poor, so they go and steal from others. Is it justified that they steal what belongs to another? Ofcourse it is not. Is the government at fault? yes, but so is the abuser.
Now I think of it, they could aswel do something that tests people if they are playing. Something along the lines of repetitive movements/engaging combat. Quest accepting/turning in. Buying/selling stuff. I doubt that a single person playing wow activily is not doing all these things. Within half an hour span!
Then they can reset server every 2 h, to kick those people off, I wouldnāt even mind that, as long as I donāt have 15k queue, I rather wait every 2 hours 30 min queue, then waiting 7h queue when I get home from RL stuff.
Oh no, they definitly are, I just hope their budget isnāt the same as it was at release, because oh boy that budget was way too tight.
Even a couple day ban can, and most definitly will motivate players to cancel their subscriptions. I know a person that refunded an ingame toy purchase because they got banned for a day. So every ban you dish out is potentially less money you earn.
I agree. I just believe thereās better solutions than (solely) punishing the person commiting the crime. Removing the root of crime will clear it permanently, while the other will only paint over it.
I do believe something such as that already exists, or at least is in the works. A friend and I went a trip to wetlands this night, from Undercity, and we both got dcād at the same time. I doubt it was the layer crashing, since it was at something like 4 AM in the morning, but we also were just walking for quite some time.
Also people have been reported getting dcād when going to the toilet or preparing food, which is something quite silly, so I believe the margin for errors is currently too large, but I do believe thereās something in the works against anti afk tools.
Chill out, blizz will not ban afk players, because the main cause of this phenomenon is blizzard himself.The solution for this is resolving the cause, and not to treating the effects.There are many methods of doing afk, not only scripts.One of this is using mini machinery stroking the keys of the keyboard.How will you ban this?
Really anyone AFK botting should be banned. Maybe not a permeant ban but a ban should be given.
By AFK botting they are essentially creating a backlog. In normal operation, someone would log in, play for X amount of hours and log out. At which point someone else would join and repeat. By AFK botting that log out only happens if for example someone D/Cās. Because that player never logs out he next person never gets in and so the queue doesnāt reduce. As more people join the queue the backlog grows.
Blizzard might have created the problem but AFK botting doesnāt resolve the issue. It just stops people actively playing the game. Shazzrah currently has an 11K + queue. Thatās 11 thousand people paying the monthly subscription and being blocked from the game while people AFK bot a spot.
They can ban bots in D3, I am pretty sure they can do that here to, if is few days ban, they will not lose the subs, they will just release the queue, and some of those will stop using the exploits. 7h queue is unacceptable, we are not paying for queue simulation.
The problem is to prove the afk-script for Blizzard to be able to take action. Basically you are not " injecting " anything into the game, you are using a script that presses a key that covers your whole operating system, and it simply depends on what window you have opened in the front ( in this case WoW.exe). The other thing is that these scripts can be altered in a way that they make random movements and intervals that leave no digital trace or pattern for Blizzard to discover. For example: You can say to give a space bar every 3-4 minutes with the second in between being randomized. Also you could even have it press a different key every time which you can create a list of keys that would help you prevent to go afkā¦ All with all it is rather hard for Blizzard to get them all. Some people just alt-tab and jump every 5 minutes when they need to do something else in between.
Since it is not injected, Blizzard cannot tell if what you are doing is manually pressed or notā¦
These fellow gamers are just making the problem bigger. I have an open wound, instead of leaving it alone I keep poking it with a filthy stick. But letās blame the doctor that didnāt stitch it up for the infection I got from it. While Iām the person who made sure it couldnāt heal.
No one likes the queue. But itās really selfish to fix the problem like this. They are taking away the chance of others playing. While they are not there themselves.
Yesterday i logged in, I took a screenshot of the Inn, after my 6 hours playtime I logged off in the same inn. and atleast half of the people standing there were the same as 6 hours before. Donāt tell me thatās ok!
Like Grobluk said blizzard is at fault for the queue. But the players are at fault for the length of the current queue. It can easily be halfed if everyone does what must be done.
