Please bring back GDKP and fair SR raids to Pyrewood Village

The current raiding scene in the Alliance PVE cluster is a disgrace.

Current problems:

- Too many guilds for the server population.
The majority of this server consists on extremely casual players that quit from time to time and rarely commit to the goals they might have set in this game. Guilds here have lots of members but are unable to fill raids by themselves, forcing them to bring any available guild member or outsider, despite being ready to raid or not.

- Only few guilds are able to clear Naxx
That’s right, after more than 2 years of server separation, we still only have 2 or 3 guilds that is capable of clearing Naxx, and only one can do it in a single raid.

- Abusive pugs
Since the majority of guilds can’t fill their raids, they are forced to ask outsiders, normally players from other guilds. Nothing wrong here, but when you read these guilds loot rules your jaw just drop from the extensive abuse that is going on and for my surprise, people don’t seem to care at all. The most extreme examples can be from having the best items under loot council in a SR run while using outsiders to simply have best in slot items on hard reserve. In short, these guilds needs the outsiders to fill their raids and to reach success, but don’t treat them as equal when it comes to loot, which makes it impossible for geared people to even consider joining these events. Outsiders join these raids a couple of times because they didn’t even bother to read the loot rules, they see how it work and the amount of abuse and then they ask themselves “what am I doing here?”.
The animosity for outside players is high, and yet they are so needed to clear raids.

Many of the players here are fed up with corrupted loot council guilds and shady DKP/EPGP systems where people are always trying to find exploits, and this is why we need GDKP as soon as possible if we want the server to grow instead of being an empty server where people just raidlog or quit because there is nothing going on.

Why GDKP?

  • GDKP is exactly like DKP, but instead of awarding points to a spreadsheet or addon, they are added to your wallet. You raid more, you get more gold, the more gold you get, the more chances you have to win bids for loot. Simple.

  • In a SR run the raid organizer gets little to nothing from it unless there are some items on hard reserve, which will decrease the interest on that event. At most they can take the trash items including cores, idols, scraps and such, which has a substantial value. If the raid organizer has no motivation to continue, the raid event will eventually end.

  • Players that don’t need items from lower raids will rarely join a SR run because there is no incentive for them, sure they can have alts, but at some point they will not join those raids anymore.

  • GDKP awards everyone in the raid, no exceptions. Normally the raid organizers take a 10% cut and the rest is divided between all players. Even if you didn’t win any loot, you still get paid.

  • In general, players that underperform, leave before the end or cause problems do not get paid, which is one of the best features of this system, making everybody to be at their best. How many raids did you join and saw so many people afking on trash and yet they had no penalty on loot. Personally I saw many of these slacking players winning rolls over players that were active the whole raid and it was not fair at all. Of course there are also good SR raids that have rules against slacking, but they were rarely implemented to avoid drama.

  • GDKP keeps the server alive when it comes to activity. A Naxx raider can simply join a BWL GDKP run while not needing any loot and in less than one hour of effort he can get hundreds of gold that can be used in consumables for his Naxx guild run or simply keep the gold for other GDKP runs in which he might need to bid on gear. If a player has several alts, he can join GDKP with all of his alts and farm an insane amount of gold that he can later use to bid big items for a character he choses.

Is there a spot for pure SR raids?

There is but at the moment, in this server, there is not a single 40 man pug raid that has a loot system that treats everybody the same way.
Personally I like SR runs a lot but I also understand it is hard to keep up the motivation to lead them. Furthermore, the raids with abusive loot rules continue to fill their ranks and while this goes on, nothing will change. People need to stop signing to those events in order to make a change.
You as a single player, have more power than you think.

Why not just join a guild instead?

Most raids are extremely casual and the best ones here are just average overall with their own specific loot rules and with many items more or less sorted to a few players. If you think I’m exaggerating just hop on those guilds discords and check out for yourself.
There are many players here that cannot fit all guilds schedules and demands and simply prefer to raid on their own. This is not about being selfish, it is about knowing your boundaries and not wanting to disappoint guilds, since many have people that put up so much effort for their community to work.

But GDKP attracts bots and gold sellers!

I see many just using this excuse to criticize GDKP when they lack intellect to see beyond and think for themselves.
Bots and gold sellers are against TOS and if they exist is because measures are not taken to remove them from the game, so it has nothing to do with GDKP.
I invite all of you make a level 1 on Pyrewood Village and do a “/who Stratholme” or “/who Dire Maul” and see for yourself how many bots we already have without GDKP.

Many would say that most of the GDKP haters are just players that don’t have time to farm gold and automatically assume others don’t have as well and simply buy gold. Many would also say that this hate comes from them being jealous of how easy it is for some to get loot under GDKP system while they had to do a ton of runs to get the items they wanted.
Fun fact is most of these people never joined a GDKP and their opinion is based on what they have been told about it. Kind of how the world works today, sadly.

Personally I think there is room for every loot system and there should be no hostility between opinions, instead, people should raise their voices against the fact we still have so many bots and gold sellers in every single server of this game, because that is the real problem.

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No. Just no.

Just look at Firemaw and see how GDKP has inflated prices everywhere and lots of people om the server are now buying gold to be able to raid.

If you want GDKP, you can go there. I enjoy Pyrewood Village as it is right now - not Vanilla but not far from either.

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got no idea how other Guilds Raid Rooster looks like cuz I just join our‘s
current on PvE cluster are many Guilds, true
but that’s it, if every 10 ppl squad thinks about an own Guild you get problems fill your Raid
all Guilds who can’t Raid cuz of lacking ppl should build Pug Raid nights together ft SR for everything

btw we could play Naxx in 1 Raid night but we start 9pm and stop on 0pm cuz ppl have to work
Mondays we finish our Naxx ID

be glad you don’t have gdkps it caused an inflation on firemaw the prices on the auctionhouse are insane! and yes gdkps do increase the amount of gold being bought.

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Sending people away from your realm is not the answer.
We can all play on the same realm even though we can disagree on what we want.
You don’t see people that want GDKP wishing others to just migrate away.
Prices in Firemaw are higher because the population is many times bigger than in Pyrewood Village and it has nothing to do with GDKP but with the number of bots proportional to the high population, if the demand is high, so must be the offer.
Don’t try to blame GDKP, blame the fact that the bots are not being removed from the game. We are also infested with bots here on Pyrewood Village.

It is when they destroy the server. Please - Firemaw is that way —>

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GDKP do not destroy servers, bots and gold sellers do.
Inform yourself better.

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bro it has to do with gdkp stop the cope already. you wish for a lootsystem which will increase the prices on your server for ever just to satisfy your greed. of course bots and sellers are to blame but gdkp is one of the factors.

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GDKP encourages gold buying. Gold sellers uses bots to farm gold. So yes, GDKP destroyes servers.

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ahh the ol ‘GdKpS r thE goOd, u R just the DumB!’ not worth listening to anything you say if you want to attack people for disagreeing with you.

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guild merching with another would be the way to go

You make valid points, but why would you add this lol -

  1. “I see many just using this excuse to criticize GDKP when they lack intellect”
  2. “Many would say that most of the GDKP haters are just players that don’t have time to farm gold”
  3. “this hate comes from them being jealous of how easy it is for some to get loot under GDKP”

I am yet to see a person favoring GDKP that actually agrees on the fact it promotes gold buying.
Is it possible for any GDKP fan to acknowledge this, but consider them still worthy of having b/c of the positives they bring to the game?

The fact you would circle around this reality, and instead of making a balanced analysis call detractors names does not help your case.

In fact, all of you call names everybody including your own GDKPers all the time. It is a cultural phenomenon at this point.

Oh, and I know for a fact there are people living off their GDKP business. There are a lot of premium gold websites buyers in GDKP raids. There are people who have gotten boosted and straight to T3 to then quit the game and ask for fresh.

If anything, this post is as toxic as anything GDKP related.

Btw, I have a personal watchdog called Krystalus that feels the need to reply to me every time I make my opinion of GDKPs known. If you are reading this, my man, GFY.

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Amazing troll post. Please leave the game, if indeed you actually play it. The fact you advocate GDKP makes your post laughable from the start. Not going to give this any more chit chat!

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Keep the filth where it belongs to.

From my personal exp, at pve alliance, you can gear up pretty easy, you cant progress easyly to top tier yes, hardly 2 guilds do naxx, one will simply never invite you as they have closed guild invites since… idk long time ago. The other one responds to the mass meaning any kind of apple can get in there, while raid consists only in 40 ppl, that yet again is kinda gated to old raiders of this guild, but from naxx and below you can pretty much get geared rather easyly, you just cant go for bis, as for the some ppl come some ppl go snatch gear and never come back its very true, because they realize that gearing up in such condition is time taking and annoying, also SR at the start is fine, then turns into a night mare all in guild are forced to SR something and all ppl SR nearly same thing week after week resulting to ether item not drop and walk away empty handed or raiding for months for just a single item in vein, while nexus crystals from the d/e rain, oh yea you could get those but if u do you kinda lose the chance to get any better gear. also as u mentioned thise pugs, usually are cross guild raids, so here is the thing, they get ppl to SR items they dont rly need but guildmate needs so whoever wins it the trade with each other… or if a guy wins a SR of another the other guy rolls on items the other guy needs and then they trade, this results to an indeed bad gearing up system, YES sr is good for starters even tho the +1 kill it, and everyone know that and they wont miss a chance to grab something whatever if its worthless for them item before the RO , to avoid walking away empty handed, BUT hey you got a fair population you are just short of raidleaders and guildleaders thats all there is to it. Your problem is not enough end game raids, i cant see how GDKP will fetch you 39 more ppl to raid…

Inflation is not because of GDKPs, it is because of bots. GDKPS don’t generate gold, they just redistribute it between players.

Inflation isn’t merely caused by how much gold is in the economy but also how quickly and frequently it passes hands. For example, if I have 200,000 gold stashed in my bank and never use them, they won’t impact the economy. However, if the same gold is equally distributed among 100 players, and each of them uses their 2,000g to buy something from the AH, prices will spike a lot more. GDKPs may not generate more gold per se (though in practice they tend to insofar as they increase the incentive to farm gold in the first place), but they certainly increase the pace at which it circulates into the economy.

Anyway, Classic endgame kinda sucks for an eternal, Era-stuck patch and it’s been a known thing for a long time. There’s a reason why, even in the PS scene, it’s been Vanilla servers that started the whole “fresh” meme despite TBC and WotLK pservers having managed to maintain functional populations for years despite being stuck on their respective final patches. And no loot system can rly change it.

In short, both TBC and WotLK would’ve worked way better as Era-style servers, but we got the worst of the trilogy instead.

gdkps motivate to buy more gold

Don’t be that naive.

People buy gold to join GDKP. That gold come from gold sellers, who farms gold via bots.

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I watched the video from metagoblin where he interviewed an goldseller. and HE the GOLDSELLER said that GDKPS DO increase the amount of goldbuying. how can people be that delusional?

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