Here comes the blood death knight telling us how to play our class. smfh, You sir need to go back to the shadowlands. I have never seen a class less desserving on the dps meters as the death knights.
How does it feel to log in on your class everyday knowing that there is literally no way of people competing on the dps meter?
After that Warrior would be busted beyond belief, are you pretending to be dumb for the sake of being funny or do you actually believe what you just said? Also, Arms DW dot barely does any damage at all, it’s effectively irrelevant.
After 2 up in 2 different balance patchs, Fury is still in bottom/trash tier.
Adding another 3% flat damage boost will be completely useless, and just shows they don’t give a f* at all doing correct balance changes.
already too many spec with it, and no, war doesn t need it, it need shouts or banners, for different utilities
we don t need that, cshb changed our rotation back in bfa, if you prioritize BT over RB while non enrage, it s a loss of dps(for rage gained)
fury is the only spec without a dot, where is the problem?
instead arms shoud have his mastery moved to rend, and have it baseline, (with thunderclap spreading it)
I would like to see more utility
Aoe stun = War hits the ground or jump on the place
Rend ?
Some proc?
Something akin to dk maldraxus skill ,frenzy cleave only usable while berserker use 20rage/sec
DPS now with multiple small buffs is ok. Castle Nathria is not the best raid to test the DPS because it favors the ranged so much. Still, I’m happy how much these buffs have made fury a really viable spec. Just tested Hungering on HC and did 5,1k as melee. With better raid buffs and legendary procs, 5,5k would be easily doable (ivl 217). In M+ fury really shines as DPS but still lacks utility. Some sort of aoe stun would be great for fury. For arms, it would be OP because of pvp but would be perfect for fury.
Cute of you to assume I haven’t played a warrior or don’t have one as an alt when I’m commenting on some absolute clown wanting the spec to be completely busted. Why would I even be here if I didn’t play the class?
With that sort of whiny attitude you will still be bottom DPS next tier where warriors are looking to be some of the better melee DPS specs due to (theoretical) scaling and buffs by Blizzard.
Stay salty.
So… you want a target-capped Breath of Sindragosa? You think you do, but you really don’t. Besidse, there already is Whirlwind → Rampage as an AoE rage dump that this would conflict with.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Shockwave coming back as a talent and Storm Bolt going baseline though.
See, this guy gets it. Actually unique utility is what gets you a raid spot, not Bloodlust. Having Bloodlust will just see you get benched for whatever Bloodlust class does more damage.
a similar mechanic is taken from frenzy, 3rd line talent (wich no venthyr take bc it s in the same row as massacre)
for non-venthy is really good for ST, the more you ‘‘tunnel’’ on a target, the more reward you get, seems really in the ‘berserk’ fantasy
and i use it very often in raid (as kyrian)
true, for M+, for example, giving war (dps) shockwave will surely improve our viability as useful choice in thoose scenario, instead of giving us %dmg
on other hand it should be balanced well bc rn giving arms pvp shockwave would buff it too much
i think, for example giving us a melee stun baseline would be nice, then in a row you can talent it in stormbolt (ranged stun with shorter cd) or shockweave
thoose obviously are my 2 cents
If Fury had Shockwave in M+ it would be pretty attractive, the dps it does overall in M+ right now is great, and it has insane mobility with great self sustain cooldowns + spell reflect works on so much stuff as an effective immunity.
But stormbolt doesn’t compete with the AOE stuns or utility other classes bring, intimidating shout doesn’t last long enough, pierce howl cooldown a little too long (though with Venthyr now you can take the finesse trait to lower it and have “Dauntless Duelist” for the 3% damage 1.5% DR vs main target, at the cost of a Potency conduit (so Condemn crit or Reck duration).
If Arms/Fury had shockwave it’d make a big difference, unfortunately they won’t do that due to PvP restraints, maybe they could afford to give it to Fury but that’d RIP Arms in M+, and it’s already worse than Fury.
I’m out of the whole “covenant” way of enhancing characters, because I only have the BFA expac for now since I’m not sure if to come back. Anyway, that’s useless trivia but thought I’d make a disclaimer.
@Khalass I know, that’s the mechanic I’m tallking about as well and to me it just seems like the right path to go. Well first of all it’s the only viable path I see for fury considering what’s on the menu.
So with that said, I don’t even consider massacre a viable option, not because it’s not good dps but because it’s bad mechanic.
Frenzy is what I like but it’s underwhelming considering (again I’m talking PvP, which what balance should be made around IMO) how hard it is to ramp it up. And even at max stacks you’d have to stay on the target constantly to get a mediocre effect which, if you did manage to do somehow, the target would probably be dead by then. The character visualization and the application of it are very out of sync.
That’s why I said in a different thread that the pvp talent bloodrage is actually a valid option to improve fury design, getting burst rage is all into fury design, that’s what fury does, has loads of rage, which if you let him spend it, you die.
I’m talking broad terms because, I don’t really feel like being specific helps, just bogs down a conversation.
Any change to the baseline specs is going affect PvP balance, though, even if it’s entirely new utility. I don’t really see how you could buff PvE in any meaningful way without affecting PvP, outside of % DPS aura modifiers. It’s something Blizzard is going to have to deal with sooner or later.
Heck, I feel like the the % damage aura tech they introduced for hotfixes has made them lazy when it comes to actually fixing core issues. I can see how it’s extremely tempting to just crank up damage during the regular content development cycle instead of working on a larger balance patch that may introduce major class changes and actually fix problems.
Still need that 17% buff, jagex.
ilvl 204 and still have issues getting into mm7 8 or 9, people just ignore me at 10 and above. We need to thank that blizz dev for class balance and the rest, he done a good job : lets nerf aoe, sure. If you dont have friends to boost you or buy boost , life will be hard for fury.
So thank you class balance developer, we know you main a fire mage, but damm it
That’s because you’re trying to find groups in the 4 - 9 cesspool range of M+. It’s populated by complete monkeys at this point in the tier that demand ridiculous gear / RIO (even though they don’t even have the addon installed half the time). You probably have a better chance getting into and completing a 10 - 14 weekly than something in that M+ range.
Besides, I have no clue what you’re on about AoE. Fury has been capped to 5 targets for ages and fire mages only get broken when you have a properly coordinated group that can pull big. You’re not going to see MDI-tier DPS in a pug that pulls packs of 5.
True about aoe abilities other than a whirlwind. That should hit more than five targets. I would really want that cap removed or at least make it it 10+ targets. It would be great when used with whirlwind legendary. That wouldn’t break the game but would make those aoe situations much better if/when you need it. I mean when you get the second legendary slot.
are you high? it’d put us in the middle at bare minimum. don’t wanna hear this BS from a priest that’s about as irrelevant as survival hunter
Keep fighting. WE ARE GOING TO GET THAT 10 PERCENT BUFF
Are you high? I obviously main Warrior, I have 2 at 60 infact and both of them are better geared than yours. But no adding tonnes of dots, bloodlust, increased crit, execute buffs, a 10% flat damage buff and more wouldn’t put Warriors mid pack, it would make Warriors broken.
Fury Warrior in M+ is already really good, and it’s already smack bang in the middle of the pack in raiding. In M+ within the 10-15 range now (which you’ve not even remotely gone close to yet) you can see Fury Warriors topping the meters regularly, on Warcraftlogs they are rank 5 spec at keystone 15, and are only lacking at the highest keys.
The raid is badly designed for melee and Warrior struggles especially, while a few of the OP specs are also more well suited, blowing the numbers through the roof (like Boomkin/Affliction). If the raid was more favourable towards Warrior that’d help Warrior more than buffs would.
You always post from your priest alt
Please post with your " main warrior super geared " so we can believe you
My Warrior isn’t super geared, but his ilvl200 Warrior is lower ilvl than all my alts, let alone my main. And the guy has basically done nothing in the game but is somehow confident his theorycrafting ideas that he pulled from his rear end make any sense at all?
What does he base is opinions on? He’s basically done no M+, not even cleared normal raid and he’s too lazy to go type in warcraft logs in google and read some simple statistic breakdown graphs?
If I ignore his in-game char/experience and take him on equal footing (which would be fair since I’m posting on an alt), what he said was absolutely ridiculous and hilarious, that nobody who had a clue would take serious.