They could move away from that perfectly fine without the need for a faction war; they could make different quests for each race / class similar to as it was during Legion.
Ppl thinking it was just the factions with different quests on both sides making the game better forget that there are plenty of other options to implement variety.
I prefer that there is a truce. I like to know what is happening in WoW and don’t want to play Alliance to find out their separate story.
Adding to what you said. It’s called ‘World of Warcraft’. Not ‘World Involved In Warcraft’. The war we’re waging, since the moment the Orcs were deceived into “invading” this other world is Us fighting against the enemies who also were doing everything they could to turn us against each other.
There’s an Alliance and Horde not because we chose it, it’s there because one enemy told the Orcs to be the Horde and to get others to join, it’s the Alliance because there were people trying to save us from the enemy. The Warcraft movie did it really badly but it did show that we had a common enemy. It was differing cultures that got in the way of us all joining up and fighting back.
The very first scene of the movie is a Mak’gora of a Human and an Orc… it took us this long to realise the Mak’gora is all of us against our common enemy. That’s perhaps the Void, Xal’atath, the Light, the Titans, the remaining demons, the First Ones… all beings in the cosmos who’d deny us our free will. We’re still in the World of Warcraft, but this time it’s warcraft against the common enemies we should allies been fighting against.
There’s truth in the following words:
To ask why we fight… … is to ask why the leaves fall. It is in their nature. Perhaps, there is a better question.
Why do we fight? To protect Home, and Family… To preserve Balance, and bring Harmony.
For my kind, the true question is: What is worth fighting for?
The question up to now has been: why do fight? And he’s right in that we fight protect Home and Family and to preserve Balance. Because Draenor and Argus and likely also K’aresh are gone. The orphans of those worlds found a new home on Azeroth, who had to teach both her own children and her adopted children to co-exist. We needed to learn about Balance and Harmony because both makes us stronger. When we got stronger we could understand what was worth fighting for… which is, likely, the only home we all have left of the “million million worlds” that Algalon told us the Makers had razed. What is worth fighting for is to co-exist, peace and safety. We only can do that if we look forward and fight the real enemies we face and not backwards at the enemies that these real enemies convinced us to fight. The answer lies in: who caused the Alliance to happen and who caused the Horde to happen? It was people being lied to… It was Kil’jaeden, but then it goes to Sargeras, but as he was likely also lied to the buck stops at the Titans who have been identified as having secrets about themselves. We discover the secrets and we find out that they cause this Alliance vs Horde conflict in the first place.
A battle is but one conflict in a war… so if that’s true then ‘Battle for Azeroth’ was not the ultimate war but the first of many conflicts to END the control of beings in the cosmos over Azeroth… and over us.
The war was just as boring.
Your forgetting theres now x faction dungs and guilds hows that gnna play into a new faction war ???
A lot of people seem to be under the impression that I’m asking for BFA 2.0 and a full scale faction war. What I’m asking for is a rivalry, real stakes and animosity between the two factions or its characters.
Pretty much the entire main cast are best buddies and they have been for several expansions now. There is no friction, and all of these characters have flatlined in their development.
Take Legion, for example. We had a truce, and it was broken by a misunderstanding. We worked together towards a common goal, but bad blood over the Broken Shore set the tone for that expansion. Genn hunted for Sylvanas while we fought the Legion, Anduin confronted his new responsibility as king, the Nightborne embraced their new place in the world. The main threat of the legion was contested while the faction conflict brought so much tension to the story. Without that tension, it is just another power of friendship expansion.
So no, I don’t necessarily want a full blown faction war. I want character development, not this stagnant and boring story that keeps repeating the same themes over and over. It’s not deep, its not exciting, and it doesn’t engage or resonate with me
More like a bit liberal interpretation of “Lok 'tar Ogar”
The Ogar part is not something the Horde is that keen to embrace
The factions are home to more interesting characters, I would rather see the heroes go at it then the next cosmic threat where antagonists die in the same patch they’re introduced in and dont even get a chance to grow into bigger menaces.
So its more that because the horde and alliance has more interesting players then everybody else, it is more interesting
I mean sure we can say cosmic fate of all worlds, but they never truely made the stakes feel that high. Highest the stakes have felt imo was Antorus.
I’d like to see more like that two-minute segment at the beach in the level 80 campaign (With the Earthen trainees), not so much animosity as disagreements about the approach to things.
We’re all fighting the same battle against voidy badness, but i want to see some different approaches, what few Horde characters we have now (A story failure, IMO) act like burly humans, have Horde NPCs around to give us quests to do things the… less subtle way, the factions are pretty much a non-issue now, but at least make the different races distinct from each other.
My personal take on this is pretty simple, blizzard got too soft and simps way too hard with current in real life dynamics to have the balls to make real conflict. And to be clear, they AIN’T THE ONLY ONES!
I’ll give an example from another game, dungeons and dragons. Wizards of the coast are trying to remove the concept of “drow are bad, dark skinned elves from the underdark who mostly worship a god that is sinister and evil with a preference towards female dominant leaders who are cruel”. The problem with trying to change this is that it completely forced and against the history behind the race to undo it, its a choice being made to simp for all the overly sensitive people in new young generation who want everyone to be treated equally even though it goes against the entire history connected to the race.
Its a fantasy game, the same as wow. Sometimes i just wish blizzard and other companies would stop injecting real life woke culture into the games they make, its a fantasy RPG i should be able to escape from real life woke stuff there. Its totally ok to have a racist character in a RPG, a human who thinks all orcs are filthy barbarians is fine in an RPG, different elves who think the other elves are beneath them is fine in an RPG.
At somepoint we shifted to people getting too easily offended and companies who make money off fantasy RPG games started to get too scared to not follow along in case they offended someone.
Im not a fan of world of friendcraft, but were there and sadly i dont see it changing until someone gets some balls and stops being scared of offending a few people to make a good story
This:D
I must be careful with every word because i may offend someone that believes is a cat or at best a dog:D
Fair enough, but I’m going to disagree with you.
I’d be perfectly happy if the alliance and horde never fight again in WoW.
Save that stuff for Warcraft 4 (if that ever becomes a thing).
It’s been done to death and it’s so boring.
Thanks, im sure its not just me who sees this shift in recent years for games like warcraft.
I personally would love to see blizzard bring in a character, a story arc or some leader who is bias and flawed in some questionable way.
One of the reasons garrosh was so compelling to many is because he wasn’t perfect, he was a bit racist a bit sexist and he didn’t feel like he was bound by character type that was politically correct by modern real life standards. He actually felt more real as a character because of it and you didn’t HAVE to like his opinions to feel like that. This is why people liked him
I DM several campaigns and I handle it like this:
No race with a society and such is ALWAYS evil (or always good). There can, and will, be exceptions.
I think that’s realistic. It takes all kinds.
Sure, in general some races lean more towards one or the other. But I try to never make it cut and dry, because I personally find that very boring. So I actually like that DnD has changed their stance in that regard. Tropes can be fun, but they can also be bad: They can stifle creativity or be toxic.
I think the problem with a character like garrosh is that he was also racist in its own faction.
How long can a group survive together when the leader of that group is awefull to parts of that group?
Are the forsaken just expected to eat insults 24/7 and then fight for him?
If it where more outward aggression and less inward it would have been better.
And I partially agree with you some things got to soft but less aggression is not necessarily a bad thing it’s good that we as players can do more together. I would say there should be no devide between us at all.
Let the factions fight but let us choose whatever race we want and fight for who we want
I didn’t say drow are all evil, i was saying that WotC are currently working on content to create more drow that are not evil and just make them a race.
The problem with this is being a non evil drow was meant to be exceptional, you literally grew up in one of the most hostile environments known full of cruel and evil creatures, your only known saviour was a cruel god who expected bloodshed and acts of depravity to keep pleased , and as far as the drow are concerned, the one time they attempted to resurface from the underdark the high elves decided they were too different and attacked them. To be a non evil drow is to somehow look past all of this and become better than all you ever knew.
Player characters who play non evil drow SHOULD have a grounded back story that uncovers WHY they ended up that way
And I don’t like that ALL of a race would live the same way. That’s not realistic in the slightest. Just look at our own world and how vastly different we all live our lives.
A good background story is always nice, period. 
The only boring thing is people yapping about faction pride in 2025. Grow up already
Tbf they’ve been punting out Drizzt books for nearly 40 years now, so the concept of “not all Drow are evil” has been about for a while.
i have an idea add a third faction all who thought sylvanas was right but then get humilated when even she when she returns tell them how wrong they were?