With premade vs premade you will barely get any games as solo ogrammer player.
Alliance does not like to soloque warsong for simple reasons.
So, get ur premade or keep crying u r not allowed to cleave backpeddle scattered alliance pugs as u didn in p2
But they only premade to farm solo queuers and win games and rank up easy mode?
If you make them go premade against premade only, my guess is 90% stop playing in premade. That is more or less what happened with twinks on retail with the xp off / xp on bracket separation.
Sometimes you can win against a premade with your pug, but most of the time you sinply have no chance. When your pug has one healer and the enemy premade hat three, a warrior with bre and another with sulfaras. While half your teams is green geared and runs around with slow mounts, there is no point in getting farmed. I usually try to gather atleast sone hks. If thst is not possible i just walk out of the gy as a ghost and have then finish asap.
Premade vs premade only doesn’t work with the vanilla/classic pvp ranking system. Premade are here in order to inscrease your honor per hour. If they’d only meet other premades, their HpH would actually decrease vs pug-ing in little groups of 3-5. Nobody would do premades anymore.
What you are asking is actually to “force” solo-play by making premades uncompetitive.
I actually think that the retail pvp system is much better (distinct pug/premade queues with distinct rewards), but it won’t happen in classic.
Ps: my main is actually 59 right now and I wonder if I should stop leveling him. Pugging is very fun in that bracket.
I hope all casual players realizes that there is much more honor to be gained from doing AVs instead of being GY camped by premades. Or atleast a big mass of them so premades will face other premades more often than they face pugs.
Probably not all premades but most of them only do it to be able to play againts ppl that has no chance of winning so they rank up faster. Funny how it is, that it is only premade ppl who don´t realize how toxic this is for the PvP community that they say they cherish so much. But you don´t cherish PvP because all you want to do is to run back and forth carrying that flag as fast as possible. Blizzard might aswell que premades vs no players at all and pugs vs pugs. In this case pugs who wanna do PvP gets what they want and premades get to do their shiet and gain their honor faster than pugs. It´s a win win for all.
I even see ppl here saying that premade is what ppl want to do. Obviously premades are a minority, since otherwise they would just match up againts other premades more often.
Premade ppl telling pugs to go somewhere else if they don´t want to stand there and be farmed is kinda funny. When enough of us stick to AV you will have your premade vs premade game anyway in WSG and then you will come back to AV cause single players will outfarm your honor.
GLHF
Bit off topic, but this made me chuckle. I never liked twinking because IMO they are just players who want easy wins. In every discussions I got told that’s not true, they wanted less complicated PvP (less talents/skill options) and just liked to tune their characters to the max, and preferred exciting games vs other twinks. XP brackets made that possible for them, and reading now that it killed of most of the twinking is kinda funny.
Alliance plays in premades only for 1 reason - alliance pugs are true cancer to solo que with.
All other reasons horde players pull out of their butts.
Especially funny to read that gear advantage over a phase where every alliance player has been swarmed 3:1. Not a single ogrammer ape cried “woah dis ufair”, but now, when they are able to make the same premades, they cry because they sit 1 hour with their premade due to long ques - every smartpants kiddo went horde for op racials.
Your tears are delicious.
Agreed on this. We see Russian premades daily from the Alliance side. Luckily those seem to be easy to win against, but still would be great to do the same on the Horde side.
More like 10 minute WSG and 15 minute AV queues. I am actually enjoying it a lot, even if in WSG we get our amateur premade group behinds kicked a lot, its fun! AV was quite boring, but now that we apply at least a bit of tactics its somewhat enjoyable too. Still miss the ancient AV version, but those days are gone.
If you are looking for compettive and fair pvp experience in mmo than i suggest you to quit and go play some other games like league or cs:go. MORPGs are not fair or balanced specily the most fun mmos are not. Legion pvp was most boring pvp in wow. Nobady was doing it. BFA atlest have some pvp.
Classic is designed to play in a GROUP and not solo. Also in pvp
Who would have ever thought this. Every game which I know that doesn’t has some kind of matchmaking just ends up as a sh*tshow. It’s even more funny because WoW is far away from being competitive, BGs are just a fun mode and yet the lack of matchmaking makes it far less fun than all the “competitive” games with proper matchmaking in my opinion.
Lack of manners? Not by a long shot. I´m just sick of you people crying about
trivial stuff.
B2T: You dont even want to put the slightest bit of effort into your play. You just roll over an die if you face a premade.
I´ll let you in on a little secret: Not every premade is unbeatable, even with Pugs. In fact, the majority of them can be beaten with a little coordination and effort. Instruct your team what to do. Help them, communicate with them. Tell them how to win.
But i guess its easier for you to just go to the forums and cry like a mongrel pup.
I´m not one for separation but sometimes i wish retail and classic were on different subs.
I get that the numbers would dwindle, but the people who take issue with the most nonsensical stuff would also be gone.
Dear fellow adventurer (I’ve always wanted to say that 
),
Here is the thing, while it is extremely frustrating to face a premade as solo queue, if blizz did make it so it never happened, the wait time for pre made groups would be so bad entire guilds would leave wow!
Indeed. Most won’t admit it, but while we love the twink drama, rivalries in the gulch etc, if you lose the OPness of twinks because every single one is twink, you lose that feeling.
But this is only part of why it died. Xp off twinks is too small of a niche and queue time went from 5min to 1 hour+. Twinks just stopped queuing and it just died. That is the main reason.
Back on topic, the premade vs premade is even worse as Blizz has a whole reward system (contrary to twinks) behind the honor system in Classic. Making the ability to dodge other premades essential to rank up.
So, according to all the selfish rudes opinions stating “gO To ReTaiL” the hidden function of the button “Join Battle” only serves the purppose of making people frustrated and forcing them to push instead the “Join as Group” button, ok, thanks for all the empathic opinions, i swear i’ll try to git gud at the game and find another bunch of people with no life and rank 14 expectations to have a chance to win WS games, hope my noobish hands after 10 years of not playing the game are not much of an issue.
You have my blessing.
If anything, they should rip any form of premade out of BG’s as it goes right against the grain of the spirit of the game.
Which is that you can play and cooperate with anyone in the community driven world of Vanilla, instead of forming specialist groups who steamroll everything.
Unfortunately though… if it was in Vanilla it should be in Classic.
Too bad Classic is no match for Pirate server/Retail/min-max/gogogo trained players.
Because retail was full of premades right? … oh no wait. They were not.
the real problem here is that classic was 90% casuals back in the day. Now it is 90% hardcore players.
Thus, the experience is entirely different to what it was.
If you don’t have 10 hours per day to play, then people like you are basically saying “dont bother, game isn’t for you” … I can absolutely guarantee you that the game was NOT Like that 20 years ago. Not least, the pace of release they have and are scheduling!
I agree, there’s no point to have premade vs pug. When I tag Warsong with my team I don’t understand why we are VS a pug team, it’s just stupid and we have literally 0 fun.
Add premade queue Blizzard, and do it fast. Thanks.
any system that pushes players that actually want to participate out of the system is a bad system.
you can form your own premade. and some people may even call this a solution.
the problem is that this won’t happen.
people rather quit. leaving the a smaller PvP pool than before.
give PuGs their own BGs so everyone can enjoy PvP the way they want. everyone wins.