It’s really unfair to be a bunch of 10 random guys in most of Warsong games being matched against a 10 guys premade on the other side, is it too much to ask to keep the premades fights against only other premades? Or at the very least don’t allow a full 10 random guys on those?
I know that still 2 or 3 small premade groups can’t compare to a 10 guys premade one but it will balance things much more.
Who in his right mind does WSG as a pug and expects to win. Just find some friends and premade yourself man!
this is actually the case in overwatch grouping, and people hate it.
make your own premade or suck it up.
It’s called negative reinforcement, the game by design makes you less likely to win as a pug vs. a full premade, but that’s ok. It’s supposed to punish you for not playing as a full premade yourself, so the frustration encourages you to create or join a premade of your own.
It’s just that it clashes with the dopamine addiction people are so used to by now, and the focus on instant gratification, that they can’t fathom needing to delay their gratification and work for it in order to get that gratification.
However, it’s the delayed gratification that feeds the intrinsic reward loop while the instant gratification feeds the extrinsic reward loop, and when a game goes off the rails focusing on the extrinsic reward loop then that’s how you get a game design like in retail that focus solely on stimulating that dopamine nonstop.
You feel better when you work for what you get. You also remember it longer, because it leaves a stronger lasting impression.
PS:
The REAL problem is when the game is designed to prevent full premades like in retail, yet only the exploiters finds ways around it so they almost always play as a full premade vs. a pug. THAT is just pouring poison in the well that everyone drinks out of, figuratively speaking. Because then you have no means to create your own premade (only works in smaller matchmaking pools, doesn’t work in the gigantic ones) so you then only suffer the looped frustration.
Personally, I think they should let people run full premades in AV too, in classic. That’d make everything a level playing field.
Well, sometimes you kinda don’t want to force yourself in to an extremely serious competitive pvp scenario with a full premade on discord and you want to chill out a bit while farming honor and listening to music, but that doesn’t mean i want to lose since i’m still putting a lot of effort, that’s why in my opinion it was a good idea to have normal Bg’s and Rbg’s.
So, in your own words, everyone should be taking those BG’s as if they were a championship finale? Jeez… Sometimes i just want to disconnect a bit from people and be on my own, but looks like i can’t even do that without being punished, so, ok, thanks for the empathy effort anyway.
This just means winning is not for you. It’s a competition, after all. The opponents just wants it more, in that case.
It’s not a single player game. Retail is what you want if you’re after the aRPG single player gameplay. Or you know, one of the many other games out there. The design shouldn’t bend over for you, you’re the one who’s supposed to adapt and excel. Otherwise you just get retail all over again.
Atleast have the decency to post this crap in the already existing thread about this topic.
Fkn weak ppl - go back to retail pls
Considering your lack of manners i’m not even gonna ask where this topic is, but i’m intrigued in to knowing why is it so bad to demand premades to be faced against other premades when you kinda want to be on your own.
Every other game since… forever? Understood a difference between rated pvp and casual pvp, i’m just wondering what’s so bad about it.
Premades are arguably casual as well. Just more organized than you playing solo.
Yes but they’re never gonna be on the same level, a premade has a potential better to near perfect composition, instant organized reactions, focus and cc’s, and of course probably better players in general, so, atleast from my perspective it is indeed a non casual but hardcore premade most of the time that wants to rank on honor as fast as possible, so yeah, i don’t see a reason to make such distinction and only allow premades to be faced against other premades.
Because it’s a negative reinforcement.
The eternal focus on positive reinforcement conditioning without negative reinforcement is part of what ruined retail. Go back to retail if you miss it so much. Vanilla was never about convenient gameplay everywhere, and neither should Classic be.
I dont mind premades tbh, today I ran into a really good one and 4 bad ones, of which we actually beat 2. Pugging as alliance.
A badly played premade is hardly better than a decent PUG. Yet it feels more rewarding to beat them.
it did not ruin retail. wow was at it’s best in legion when gear was nearly useless in pvp. in classic gear is insanely strong and hard to come by, making it less enjoyable as it removes an even playing field. the problem with these types of games is that skill can be compensated for with RNG or gear. the very reason a weapon range exists is so that some tard can RNG to win.
Fanboy exceptions can be found for any expansion.
Even BfA.
please tell me how im a fanboy
Your negative reinforcement is bulls.hit, my needs to be alone sometimes isn’t bound to my will to win a match, i’m just saying “casual” to refer a purposeful denial of not using every possible ressource on your asset to win a match and being part of a 10 man premade one of them.
So, i still don’t see how not forcing people to be part of a full premade will damage people will to play to win a match when you take what i said in to consideration.
I never said it forces it. I said it encourages it.
I also explained why many people will be against it.
There are also reasons explained in social psychology as to why many people don’t feel the desire to branch out socially in a natural progression of events in xrealm matchmaking. But that’s a story for another day.
Premade vs premade is what people want from WSG, however issues arise with rep farm and so on, having an increased rep & honor gain from premade WSG to compensate for not only queue times but game durations would be a win-win, the games are far more enjoyable and the rewards are better.
If you just flat out prevent premades from facing non premades people will just start to dodge or find ways around, for example, my addon here:
https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/classicpremade
I will be implementing a way to queue cross realm and this method can be used to effectively queue as a premade (a whole party/raid queuing at the same time, effectively ending up in row in queue, giving pretty hi gh chances of ending up in the same game, or two different)
I really hope Blizzard disables this. Classic doesn’t need to become more like retail.
Not everyone, only those who want to win