I’d rather they made all old raids scale and kept some semblance of gameplay value. Still easy content, but you need people, you do mechanics and you don’t one-shot the Lich King.
Maybe increase drop rates or put some bad luck protection in place to compensate for the increased effort, but I honestly think this should be the way to go.
At least for me the boredom factor in farming old raids doesn’t come from the low drop rates, but from the fact my brain is literally rotting as I play.
But if the rewards have value to you, even just cosmetic value, you should earn them by playing the game and doing it should be fun.
Nowhere did I say it would take longer.
But I don’t care much about collectors who’d rather spend years of their lives one-shotting everything in the same raid in the hopes of getting yet another mount they’ll never use.
I think having old raids be legit current casual content (TW is a start but it’s very limited) is better for the game, because a big dopamine hit after having fun playing good content beats a small dopamine hit after boring ourselves to sleep in content that’s so trivial it’s barely interactive.
I love collecting stuff, I just wish it was fun instead of tedious.
Regardless of what you think, Collectors make a big part of the playerbase… and is primarily what makes them play WoW.
You still got TW, literally zero need to drag others with you.
It’d be hell of a lot more tedious forming up raids just to do old content for the sake of collecting, and then rolling against others when what you want finally drops… you already deal with that for current content.
Scaling in difficulty, this says nothing about how quickly you get the stuff you want.
Collecting can be fun too, right? You aren’t referring to collectors, everybody collects stuff in WoW. You’re thinking of people who want content to have exactly zero meaning so they can roll the slot machine without any effort, interaction or stakes. May their souls one day find their true spring.
I don’t like this, I never will, no matter how many people drone in and out of ICC every week, hoping for Invincible to drop. I will always advocate for a better experience.
So playing the game as intended is tedious? Am I wrong in assuming the game should not be designed around people who can’t be bothered to press the buttons?
Er, it would literally take a lot longer to do old content between setting up the raid with others and running through the raid itself [it takes like 40 minutes to an hour just to get TW BT going, and the run taking 2 hours] … there’s a baffling amount of old content covering two decades, and you want to scale it.
Rather have an Opt in option instead of a blanket effect on everyone, thanks.
You know full well I’m talking about ancient content… I literally have zero interest redoing what I’ve already done for half a year when it was current content 5+ years ago.
When I have zero interest in a bit of content, I don’t do the content, I don’t expect it to be stripped of any value so I can brainlessly grind it for the years to come.
I don’t want scaling in old ancient irrelevant content thanks. “Been there, done that” and all that way back when when it was current content for half the year… I just collect what I’m missing and move on.
The thing is one-shotting raid bosses should have never been a thing in the first place. It’s only there because of neglect towards content that was left to rot and got outgeared.
To each their own opinion, but I don’t think this is a sign of a healthy game: content should be fleshed out and designed for a purpose, not triviliased just so people can devolve hours of their week, for years on end, to what could be fun and it’s not. Without the fun part, without the gameplay, without the social element, old raids are nothing more than a slot machine.
Giving people all cosmetics on legacy loot tables just for logging in would make more sense: still no fun, still no respect for the game, but at least we aren’t wasting time. As you said, you don’t want to do that content.
Game’s been doing fine 15 years on trivialising old content… if anything the introduction of the Collections tab gave life to old content with Collectors.
Make everything scale and you’ll see a significant drop in participation…
Game was doing fine without a lot of additions that made it better.
I wouldn’t call that life to be honest
Why? People do play the game for the rewards instead of skipping it, they do it all the time. I mean, you’re still technically doing it, only it’s the worst version of itself possible.
Would you rather have a working raid to run with people and get some sort of token to spend on rewards as a bad luck protection, or you’re fine with doing Kael’thas on multiple characters every week in 2024 and still no ashes in sight?
Yeah, what’s that all about?
Used to be 11 levels, not sure what it is now in the post Squish Azeroth.
Raids need a full group for an Expansion then need a small group for a whole other expansion, so that’s group content for 3 or 4 years. That’s long enough. After that they should be fair game for solo players.
That’s exactly what Legacy Buff was about. That was added in MOP to facilitate this form of gamepley.
I farmed Naxx for the set I’m wearing now back in MOP and I needed help with Patchwerk, thankfully a friend was playing then and was able to assist me. Then Legacy Buff was added as a lot of players must have been running old content for mogs etc. Bliz could see that this was a way of playing the game they should encourage, so they did.
If it wasn’t the intention we should have had scaling a long long time ago. People were farming vanilla raids as early as wrath and blizz did nothing about it. No they even made some encounters easier to solo, which speaks against your argument 100%
Ofc they knew. They test damage profiles, hp pools etc before anything releases. Back in vanilla in 2005 people sold dungeons boosts. You think blizz never thought ‘hey with this new lvl cap and gear thy will be able to solo old raids’? Ofc they did, and nothing was done. Well no I take that badck, they made some encounters easier for us to solo, my bad.
Ahh the old ‘blizz should direct their resources to…’ argument like you’re an mmo dev yourself. Your opinion is not truth.
Transmog was brought in cata as an incentive to go solo old raids. I mean that paired with blizz flatout claiming ‘hey we made x boss easier to solo’ debunks your entire ‘truth’.
This is what Timewalking if for.
They probably should be doing more with Timewalking and Classic than they are but this is how to make use of older content.
Timewalking focuses the playerbase into a few older raids.
How easy would it be to create a group to farm Molten Core or Serpentive Shrine after nearly 20 years?